Why the bible is the word of God.

[Epimethean]

Yeah, but Min, haminchez can't even read the holy babble correctly.

[Minimalist]

In that little jimmy is not alone. They all see what they want to see. In that sense it is an amazing document. Completely malleable to the mind of the reader.

[genkaus]

To: coffeeveritas

Thank you for your research and reply. It seems that you ate the only one that has intelligence and common sense.

Most people believe that Gematria is the same as bible code or numerology. But all three are actualy not related.If you do the research you will find out that each one is different .

Very good research on the history of Gematria but still incorrect. I will explain. Gematria has been Commonly used to encryp words or names in ancient times as you have explained, but not a complete ancient book like the bible. The only ancient book that exists with complete 100% Gematria Is the bible, proven
fact by Mathematicians.

Maybe that's because Bible is the only book to survive this long. There may have been many more books in Gematria.

As for universal patterns in Nature.
This is the Fibonacci series: 0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, etc. It is very simply explained as each number in the series being the sum of the previous two numbers. The ratio of each successive pair of numbers (starting with 3/2) in the series approximates phi (i.e., 8 divided by 5 is 1.6). Why is this important? Because the Fibonacci series is the basis of the spiral patterns common in nature: in shells, hurricanes, whirlpools, spiral galaxies, DNA, and plant life. Phi is all around us. For example: the ratio of scales in the opposing spirals around a pine cone are 5:8; bumps on a pineapple are 8:13; seeds in a sunflower are 21:34. All of these ratios are adjacent pairs in the Fibonacci series.

What does this have to do with the Bible?

[Epimethean]

Yes, virjimia, there is a santa cross.

[Anomalocaris]

........

I wish you all the best in your search for truth. Once again, I believe i have made my point. Merry Christmas and God Bless

---

Please do not reply, I will not be answering any more questions. If you need more information, the books are listed as I stated before.

I think all of Jimenez's posts should collected into a single dedicated thread, to be called something like "pray harder and maybe Jesus will also make YOU this stupid"

[genkaus]

Posted by Stimbo - Today 02:05
That's all well and good, and that bit about the Fibonacci series is more or less right. But what does it all have to do with the bible being the word of god?

In conclusion: A repeated mathematical pattern found in nature as in the examples of fibonacci series and Phi is not an accident. The level of order is too sophisticated for random cause. The pattern that are often revealed in Nature, DNA, the bible and the universe are too precise. only intelligence produces precise mathematical repeated pattern. This mathematical subject is very interesting and a further observation is required. But without the Proper education, people will not understand. Is is our duty as human beings to look at all the evidence that supports an intelligent being. 

I believe that the greatest enemy of the church Is not the Atheist, but the church itself. For the Atheist searches for answers to the truth using logical facts and evidence.

I wish you all the best in your search for truth. Once again, I believe i have made my point. Merry Christmas and God Bless

---

Please do not reply, I will not be answering any more questions. If you need more information, the books are listed as I stated before.

No. A repeated mathematical pattern found is only evidence of that pattern being the result of the natural laws governing the particular phenomenon.

Do you find it amazing and caused by an intelligent being that all planets move in elliptical orbits? No intelligent cause is necessary. They do so because the gravitational force causes them to move so.

[coffeeveritas]

To: coffeeveritas

Thank you for your research and reply. It seems that you ate the only one that has intelligence and common sense.

Most people believe that Gematria is the same as bible code or numerology. But all three are actualy not related.If you do the research you will find out that each one is different .

Very good research on the history of Gematria but still incorrect. I will explain. Gematria has been Commonly used to encryp words or names in ancient times as you have explained, but not a complete ancient book like the bible. The only ancient book that exists with complete 100% Gematria Is the bible, proven
fact by Mathematicians.

I very much enjoyed your typo, "you ate the only one that has intelligence and common sense," Yes, that's actually how I gained my intelligence by eating the only intelligent one. Haha! I can't spell to save my life so I do the same thing all the time, this one was just cracking me up.

As for the gematria thing, the Bible certainly uses gematria, but it's not entirely written in it. Also, I don't think gematria was really thought of as "encrypting" anything. Uses of gematria were actually meant to be understood by the reader, as the practice was fairly common. You might argue for a wider usage throughout the Bible, but it would be helpful if you could outline some examples and maybe bullet point your argument. Saying, "proven by Mathematicians" doesn't give us much to go on as far as understanding and responding to your reasoning.

[Erinome]

Can I just say, coffeeveritas is the kind of christian I like, or at least don't want to punch in the face. He's courteous, respectful, intelligent and has something worth reading to add to every thread to which he replies.

Thank you, coffeeveritas.

[R-e-n-n-a-t]

If this guy can legally marry and have kids...

Why is it illegal to marry a toaster?

[Epimethean]

I dunno, but let's give him a copy of the Kabbalah.