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RE: Theists are Insecure
March 3, 2012 at 1:20 pm
"Why do you feel compelled to defend their motivations for belief (and yes, this would seem to be an indicator of insecurity...in my estimation. If you must defend the superstitions of others to excuse your own)? But again, how you seem does not necessarily equate to how you feel." - Rhythm
I defend the motivations of others when they appear to intend well, even if their beliefs are seem irrational or foolish. I do this because the motivations are more important than the ideas that come out of that motivation. I will nonetheless lead them to reflect more deeply about their beliefs. That way, they can see for themselves if the beliefs they profess really match the feelings of their heart.
I'll take a good person with foolish ideas over a bad person with the right ones any day. Besides, I'm rather partial to Mercury myself.
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RE: Theists are Insecure
March 3, 2012 at 1:26 pm
(This post was last modified: March 3, 2012 at 1:27 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
The difference, here, between you and I, is that I don't care if the beliefs someone professes match the feelings in their heart, only if it matches the deomstrable world beyond their heads, or their hearts.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Theists are Insecure
March 3, 2012 at 5:54 pm
I'm not too fond of overt hypocrites. Or people who think that atheists can't still be good. Or people who think mouthing an incantation that includes the phrase "personal lord and savior" makes them part of an asbestos club.
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RE: Theists are Insecure
March 3, 2012 at 6:39 pm
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You sound like my kind of theist. Hope you stick around. Just don't poison our water or convert our kids, okay?
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RE: Theists are Insecure
March 4, 2012 at 12:42 am
Theists are insecure?...who isn't insecure? Everyone is going to die and susceptable to death at any moment.
You, yourself, as much as anybody in the entire universe, deserve your love and affection.
There are only two mistakes one can make along the road to truth; not going all the way, and not starting.
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RE: Theists are Insecure
March 4, 2012 at 12:46 am
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The just what is there to be insecure about? We can all feel secure in the knowledge that we will one day die.  Buddha is going to have to do better than that.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Theists are Insecure
March 4, 2012 at 1:04 am
I don't really think of myself as an insecure person, but perhaps I am. I worry about the same B.S. all the time and it doesn't get me anywhere. It is like banging my head off the wall and drawing blood and hating myself for it. I wish I had a million dollars. That would make me a complete delusional egomaniac. I really just want to live life to the fullest and manifest joy and love in others somehow. Meditation mellows me out man. It is a good emotional and mental equalizing practice. It just takes alot more time and patience than I want it to. I am very impulsive and cynical. I need the Buddha doctor to fix my fucked up brain. A few drugs help along the way too. I really love nature more than anything. Ever been to Arizona's Grand Canyon? Looks just like the postcard, but you are in it...surreal.
You, yourself, as much as anybody in the entire universe, deserve your love and affection.
There are only two mistakes one can make along the road to truth; not going all the way, and not starting.
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RE: Theists are Insecure
March 4, 2012 at 2:02 am
(March 4, 2012 at 1:04 am)Bgood Wrote: I don't really think of myself as an insecure person, but perhaps I am. I worry about the same B.S. all the time and it doesn't get me anywhere. It is like banging my head off the wall and drawing blood and hating myself for it. I wish I had a million dollars. That would make me a complete delusional egomaniac. I really just want to live life to the fullest and manifest joy and love in others somehow. Meditation mellows me out man. It is a good emotional and mental equalizing practice. It just takes alot more time and patience than I want it to. I am very impulsive and cynical. I need the Buddha doctor to fix my fucked up brain. A few drugs help along the way too. I really love nature more than anything. Ever been to Arizona's Grand Canyon? Looks just like the postcard, but you are in it...surreal.
I have. There is another little canyon nearby you might want to check out. The Paria empties into the Colorado at Lee's Ferry. You have to get someone to drive you more than a hundred miles from there way around up to the north into polygamist mormon country in Southern Utah to start the hike. From there it is 30 to 40 miles by foot, mostly walking in along that river through some very narrow canyon country back to Lee's Ferry. No place to be if a storm is brewing. During monsoon season you could be scoured out of there at high speed. But it is flat out beautiful in a whole other way from the Grand Canyon.
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