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RE: Whose view of the O T is authoritative? Jewry or Christianity?
January 8, 2012 at 1:05 pm
Why would they do such a thing?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Whose view of the O T is authoritative? Jewry or Christianity?
January 8, 2012 at 1:24 pm
[hristian one?
When Christianity usurped the Jewish God, should they have also usurped their interpretations as well, instead of reversing them?
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Fairy tales are fairy tales
It makes no difference what either side says - they stories are largely not true - and it makes no difference how you interpret them
In essence- the fairy tales are all imaginative lies
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RE: Whose view of the O T is authoritative? Jewry or Christianity?
January 8, 2012 at 1:26 pm
Yeah, when I read the thread title I immediately wondered how an authoritative version of a fairy tale could even be established. Authoritative with regards to what?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Whose view of the O T is authoritative? Jewry or Christianity?
January 8, 2012 at 1:35 pm
Obama ends every speech with 'god bless america' too. He is far too intellectual to believe in such nonsense but it does keep the dolts, like you chippy, quiet.
People who knew Washington had no trouble separating the man from the politician.
Quote:"Dr. Rush told me (he had it from Asa Green) that when the clergy addressed General Washington, on his departure from the government, it was observed in their consultation that he had never, on any occasion, said a word to the public which showed a belief in the Christian religion, and they thought they should so pen their address as to force him at length to disclose publicly whether he was a Christian or not. However, he observed, the old fox was too cunning for them. He answered every article of their address particularly, except that, which he passed over without notice."
-- Thomas Jefferson
As for Jefferson himself:
Quote:The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter.
-- Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823
But insecure little shits like you can't bear the thought that anyone has no use for your bullshit religion. It is a serious personality flaw of yours. You should see a psychologist to find out why.
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RE: Whose view of the O T is authoritative? Jewry or Christianity?
January 8, 2012 at 3:01 pm
(This post was last modified: January 8, 2012 at 3:10 pm by Greatest I am.)
(January 6, 2012 at 10:26 pm)Minimalist Wrote: As to religion, I hold it to be the indispensable duty of all government to protect all conscientious professors thereof, and I know of no other business which government hath to do therewith.
-- Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason
Professors - not protesters.
Perhaps that is because governments recognize how religionists hurt their own and any non-religionist would see them as evil.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HKHaClUC...playnext=1
They also do much harm to their own.
African witches and Jesus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlRG9gXri...re=related
Jesus Camp 1of 9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBv8tv62yGM
Promoting death to Gays.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMw2Zg_BV...re=related
For evil to grow my friends, all good people need do is nothing.
Fight them when you can. It is your duty to your fellow man.
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DL
(January 8, 2012 at 1:24 pm)ThomM Wrote: [hristian one?
When Christianity usurped the Jewish God, should they have also usurped their interpretations as well, instead of reversing them?
Regards
DL
Fairy tales are fairy tales
It makes no difference what either side says - they stories are largely not true - and it makes no difference how you interpret them
In essence- the fairy tales are all imaginative lies
I agree but would say that it makes a huge difference to women who have been oppressed by those who blame them for a fall that never happened.
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DL
(January 8, 2012 at 1:26 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Yeah, when I read the thread title I immediately wondered how an authoritative version of a fairy tale could even be established. Authoritative with regards to what?
To who has a greater right to interpret their own works. Them or the usurpers.
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RE: Whose view of the O T is authoritative? Jewry or Christianity?
January 8, 2012 at 4:48 pm
(This post was last modified: January 8, 2012 at 4:54 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
As if those "works" were their own in the first place.
No single author penned these things. We can clearly see that these stories were cobbled together over time, they share similar themes with earlier (and later) stories, as well as stories from just about anywhere else. We're not talking about the early infancy of mankind here when we discuss these tales. They had nearly 100,000 years of tradition behind them at this point. It's very similar to a modern author re-writing their own version of The Illiad, and then asking which is authoritative. Both, neither.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Whose view of the O T is authoritative? Jewry or Christianity?
January 10, 2012 at 4:51 pm
(January 1, 2012 at 6:27 pm)Greatest I am Wrote: Whose interpretation should hold precedence? The Jewish view or the Christian one?
Neither. The word of God is not open to interpretation. Only God alone knows what all that nonsense actually means. If there's a conflict between what you think the word of God means, and what God actually meant, then what God actually meant prevails.
God's like that. He doesn't like being told he's wrong by a smart-arse who knows the bible backwards.
The interesting thing about Truth is that Truth is still Truth even if the devil speaks it. The interesting thing about Lies is that Lies are still Lies even if God speaks them.
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RE: Whose view of the O T is authoritative? Jewry or Christianity?
January 10, 2012 at 4:56 pm
And who is to say what God actually means?
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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RE: Whose view of the O T is authoritative? Jewry or Christianity?
January 10, 2012 at 6:34 pm
If there were a god we could ask him.....her.... it.
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RE: Whose view of the O T is authoritative? Jewry or Christianity?
January 11, 2012 at 3:34 pm
(January 8, 2012 at 4:48 pm)Rhythm Wrote: As if those "works" were their own in the first place.
No single author penned these things. We can clearly see that these stories were cobbled together over time, they share similar themes with earlier (and later) stories, as well as stories from just about anywhere else. We're not talking about the early infancy of mankind here when we discuss these tales. They had nearly 100,000 years of tradition behind them at this point. It's very similar to a modern author re-writing their own version of The Illiad, and then asking which is authoritative. Both, neither.
I agree that it is all myths taken from older cultures. That has no relevance to the question.
The Jews re-wrote them no doubt. To their understanding and culture. Not to the understanding and culture that came much later and usurped them.
Jews are bright enough that they do not take their myths literally but you have noted, I am sure, that Christianity, in its stupidity, does.
Let me ask the same another way. The work of Nostradamus.
Who is likely to understand them better? The French or the English?
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DL
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