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RE: Islam true religion?
February 4, 2012 at 10:00 pm
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(February 4, 2012 at 9:58 pm)Phil Wrote: (February 4, 2012 at 9:53 pm)Zakir_250 Wrote: (February 4, 2012 at 9:51 pm)Phil Wrote: (February 4, 2012 at 8:08 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Fuck mohammed.
Can't happen if Zak is more than 9 years old. Brother Rayaan has already debunked the idea that Muhammad (S.A.W) was a pedophile here: http://atheistforums.org/thread-7027.html Read what I wrote moron. I said 9 years old. If Aisha was more than 9 when the marriage was consummated show your sources. But tell me, why do you call your holy pedo man a pedo? Isn't that like blasphemy or something worthy of beheading? I didn't call him a Pedo. Never will. I think you were trying to mock Muhammad when you said "I'm more than 9 years old" meaning Muhammad only goes for under 9s.
(February 4, 2012 at 9:59 pm)reverendjeremiah Wrote: (February 4, 2012 at 9:53 pm)Zakir_250 Wrote: Muhammad (S.A.W)
Muhammad was in Saw? No wonder those movies sucked donkey dick! It means Sal Allah o alaihe Wasalam. Meaning May allah's blessing and peace be upon him. It's just our way of respect.
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RE: Islam true religion?
February 4, 2012 at 10:11 pm
(February 4, 2012 at 9:50 pm)Zakir_250 Wrote: (February 4, 2012 at 9:48 pm)SleepingDemon Wrote: Not to mention that both the bible and the quran were written by desert dwelling sheepherders who knew nothing about how the universe actually operates. How the Quran? Go watch Zakir Naik's video on "god". Or maybe Hamza Tzortziz on existence of god.
Nothing I haven't heard before. Has it occurred to you that if any of these "experts" had found any real evidence of note this discussion would be occurring in science magazines and not on youtube?
Go watch AronRa, Sam Harris, Christopher Hitchens and Thunderf00t.
"In our youth, we lacked the maturity, the decency to create gods better than ourselves so that we might have something to aspire to. Instead we are left with a host of deities who were violent, narcissistic, vengeful bullies who reflected our own values. Our gods could have been anything we could imagine, and all we were capable of manifesting were gods who shared the worst of our natures."-Me
"Atheism leaves a man to sense, to philosophy, to natural piety, to laws, to reputation; all of which may be guides to an outward moral virtue, even if religion vanished; but religious superstition dismounts all these and erects an absolute monarchy in the minds of men." – Francis Bacon
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RE: Islam true religion?
February 4, 2012 at 10:14 pm
(February 4, 2012 at 10:11 pm)SleepingDemon Wrote: (February 4, 2012 at 9:50 pm)Zakir_250 Wrote: (February 4, 2012 at 9:48 pm)SleepingDemon Wrote: Not to mention that both the bible and the quran were written by desert dwelling sheepherders who knew nothing about how the universe actually operates. How the Quran? Go watch Zakir Naik's video on "god". Or maybe Hamza Tzortziz on existence of god.
Nothing I haven't heard before. Has it occurred to you that if any of these "experts" had found any real evidence of note this discussion would be occurring in science magazines and not on youtube?
Go watch AronRa, Sam Harris, Christopher Hitchens and Thunderf00t. AronRa has been refuted by Brother Rashid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QA9RnYpM7ME
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RE: Islam true religion?
February 4, 2012 at 10:52 pm
(February 4, 2012 at 9:46 pm)Zakir_250 Wrote: Quanity isn't the issue. It's quality. E.g. P52 manuscript has only 4 verses or sometihng and it can't be trusted as reliable. Also there are disputed verses like 1 John 5:7.
Firstly, P52 isnt the earliest..we have the lukan papyrus, the magdelane papyrus, and fragment 7Q5 which are earlier, some in the 1st century. Second, the manuscript evidence for the bible is far superior to the Quran. Most of the manuscripts for the Quran were compiled in the 9th century, and the very oldest ones came 200 years are Muhammeds death in 790 AD. So, if these are your standards you can't trust the Quran either. Yes some do dispute 1 John 5:7 and some don't. If you want to talk about corruption you might want to note that Muhammed plagerized the apocryphal infancy gospels of thomas by including the stories of Jesus making birds out of clay into the Quran among other things. He also plagerized the Talmud and the apocrypha of the life of adam:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legends_and_the_Quran
Psalm 19:1-2
The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork. Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
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RE: Islam true religion?
February 4, 2012 at 10:56 pm
(February 4, 2012 at 10:00 pm)Zakir_250 Wrote: I think No you don't and that is your problem.
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RE: Islam true religion?
February 4, 2012 at 11:01 pm
(February 4, 2012 at 10:00 pm)Zakir_250 Wrote: It means Sal Allah o alaihe Wasalam. Meaning May allah's blessing and peace be upon him. It's just our way of respect.
Oh..
...Well then the Saw movies sound much better than what you are describing.
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RE: Islam true religion?
February 4, 2012 at 11:19 pm
(February 4, 2012 at 10:52 pm)brotherlylove Wrote: (February 4, 2012 at 9:46 pm)Zakir_250 Wrote: Quanity isn't the issue. It's quality. E.g. P52 manuscript has only 4 verses or sometihng and it can't be trusted as reliable. Also there are disputed verses like 1 John 5:7.
Firstly, P52 isnt the earliest..we have the lukan papyrus, the magdelane papyrus, and fragment 7Q5 which are earlier, some in the 1st century. Second, the manuscript evidence for the bible is far superior to the Quran. Most of the manuscripts for the Quran were compiled in the 9th century, and the very oldest ones came 200 years are Muhammeds death in 790 AD. So, if these are your standards you can't trust the Quran either. Yes some do dispute 1 John 5:7 and some don't. If you want to talk about corruption you might want to note that Muhammed plagerized the apocryphal infancy gospels of thomas by including the stories of Jesus making birds out of clay into the Quran among other things. He also plagerized the Talmud and the apocrypha of the life of adam:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legends_and_the_Quran The missionaries are lying to you. P52 is the earliest. This is from Wikipedia, "Although Rylands \mathfrak{P}52 is generally accepted as the earliest extant record of a canonical New Testament text,[2] the dating of the papyrus is by no means the subject of consensus among critical scholars."
Muhammad didn't plagerize from anything. If he did, then why did he leave out errors from Bible? E.g. the creation story or the Noah's flood being global. Your false Jesus is plagerized from Pagans.
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RE: Islam true religion?
February 5, 2012 at 12:11 am
Why plaigarize wild and unverifiable claims when you can manufacture your own?
"In our youth, we lacked the maturity, the decency to create gods better than ourselves so that we might have something to aspire to. Instead we are left with a host of deities who were violent, narcissistic, vengeful bullies who reflected our own values. Our gods could have been anything we could imagine, and all we were capable of manifesting were gods who shared the worst of our natures."-Me
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RE: Islam true religion?
February 5, 2012 at 12:14 am
(February 5, 2012 at 12:11 am)SleepingDemon Wrote: Why plaigarize wild and unverifiable claims when you can manufacture your own? That subject is for our Christian friend to answer. Now, what do you have to say to AronRa refutation video?
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RE: Islam true religion?
February 5, 2012 at 12:22 am
(February 5, 2012 at 12:14 am)Zakir_250 Wrote: (February 5, 2012 at 12:11 am)SleepingDemon Wrote: Why plaigarize wild and unverifiable claims when you can manufacture your own? That subject is for our Christian friend to answer. Now, what do you have to say to AronRa refutation video?
There you go again dismissing what you can't handle. You really are getting to be a boring Jew hater.
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