Hamza Tzortzis

[Koklanas]

May be an evidence in the form of losing your loved one would make you change your mind. You would start saying why her? why not me? That "why" question is meant for whom? i suppose for that supreme being.

Wow, completely missed this one......that's pretty dark amigo... I'd be throwing my whys into the wind, even though there's no one listening. What I like to do, is wait for a train to come by, and then scream into the clatter of the tracks so that my kids don't hear me..lol.

You mean you will not complaint to any one. and just let it be. It is fated to happen. is it so? I have never met an Athiest in person before so I would not be able to guess what their reaction to misfortunes.

[downbeatplumb]

It is much easier to prove Ghost exists, since it makes itself visible sometimes. For God it is much harder and one has to use analogy and logic.

And yet no one has proved ghosts exist.
There are tricks of the light, camera faults, double exposure insect swarms, billowing curtains and all sort of other things that can be mistaken for apparitions.

its more recent invention than you might think.

The now prevailing sense of "the soul of a deceased person, spoken of as appearing in a visible form" only emerges in Middle English (14th century)

So why weren't older ghosts reported as being visible?
Did they suddenly become visible 1400 years after christ supposedly died?
or are they just made up fairy tales?

Guess what I think.

[Koklanas]

So, you are already assuming existence of a supreme being prior to the argument from need. What is the basis of your assumption?

prior to the argument from need?
I dont quite get what you mean, can you rephrase it.

You argued that since people need justice, therefore a god must exist to provide it. But your latter argument suggests that god exists regardless of people's needs. Thus, I'm asking you to support that.

You mean those 2 arguement are contradicting? Prior argument and later argument? I need to really understand what you mean before I answer.

The latter negates the former. If god exists regardless of people's needs, the people's needs cannot be the reason for god's existence.

God's existence is not just for delivering ultimate justice alone. He is there to serve his creations for other need as well, like giving reward to good deeds and what not.

[Cyberman]

May be an evidence in the form of losing your loved one would make you change your mind. You would start saying why her? why not me? That "why" question is meant for whom? i suppose for that supreme being.

Wow, completely missed this one......that's pretty dark amigo... I'd be throwing my whys into the wind, even though there's no one listening. What I like to do, is wait for a train to come by, and then scream into the clatter of the tracks so that my kids don't hear me..lol.

You mean you will not complaint to any one. and just let it be. It is fated to happen. is it so? I have never met an Athiest in person before so I would not be able to guess what their reaction to misfortunes.

Kok, I have in fact found myself in the very position you described. It did not make me change my mind. I never fell for the god crap before, and I'm certainly not going to fall for it now. And if it really was the intention of some god entity that the sweetest woman I ever knew needed to die as some obscure test for me, then fuck that god, fuck its test, and fuck you too.

[Koklanas]

It is much easier to prove Ghost exists, since it makes itself visible sometimes. For God it is much harder and one has to use analogy and logic.

And yet no one has proved ghosts exist.
There are tricks of the light, camera faults, double exposure insect swarms, billowing curtains and all sort of other things that can be mistaken for apparitions.

its more recent invention than you might think.

The now prevailing sense of "the soul of a deceased person, spoken of as appearing in a visible form" only emerges in Middle English (14th century)

So why weren't older ghosts reported as being visible?
Did they suddenly become visible 1400 years after christ supposedly died?
or are they just made up fairy tales?

Guess what I think.

I suppose back then they did not have much light at night, only candles. Nowadays we have LEDs and what not.

[downbeatplumb]

God's existence is not just for delivering ultimate justice alone. He is there to serve his creations for other need as well, like giving reward to good deeds and what not.

And here's a well formed articulate sentence with correct spelling.

Utter shit content but well conveyed.

This poe can't stay consistant.

[Koklanas]

May be an evidence in the form of losing your loved one would make you change your mind. You would start saying why her? why not me? That "why" question is meant for whom? i suppose for that supreme being.

Wow, completely missed this one......that's pretty dark amigo... I'd be throwing my whys into the wind, even though there's no one listening. What I like to do, is wait for a train to come by, and then scream into the clatter of the tracks so that my kids don't hear me..lol.

You mean you will not complaint to any one. and just let it be. It is fated to happen. is it so? I have never met an Athiest in person before so I would not be able to guess what their reaction to misfortunes.

Kok, I have in fact found myself in the very position you described. It did not make me change my mind. I never fell for the god crap before, and I'm certainly not going to fall for it now. And if it really was the intention of some god entity that the sweetest woman I ever knew needed to die as some obscure test for me, then fuck that god, fuck its test, and fuck you too.

Assuming it had nothing to do with God's act or test. Then who caused your loved one to die.

[The Grand Nudger]

You mean you will not complaint to any one. and just let it be. It is fated to happen. is it so? I have never met an Athiest in person before so I would not be able to guess what their reaction to misfortunes.

Who would I complain to? There's no one there. Fated? No, not quite so mystical. An atheist's reaction to the loss of a loved one is likely to be very similar to a muslim's reaction.

[Koklanas]

God's existence is not just for delivering ultimate justice alone. He is there to serve his creations for other need as well, like giving reward to good deeds and what not.

And here's a well formed articulate sentence with correct spelling.

Utter shit content but well conveyed.

This poe can't stay consistant.

It is much expected. it is 2:50 am in my part of the world now, may be it is day time in your part of the world.

[Cyberman]

Kok, I have in fact found myself in the very position you described. It did not make me change my mind. I never fell for the god crap before, and I'm certainly not going to fall for it now. And if it really was the intention of some god entity that the sweetest woman I ever knew needed to die as some obscure test for me, then fuck that god, fuck its test, and fuck you too.

Assuming it had nothing to do with God's act or test. Then who caused your loved one to die.

I refuse to assume anything. I am not prepared to follow you down the rabbit hole on this one. My post was in response to your claim that the death of a loved one would change an atheist's mind and that is all I am going to say on the subject. Any and all attempts by you or anyone to use it as a preaching opportunity is not something I will take kindly to.