You Are Going To Hell If You....

[MrSkeptic]

You've said yourself the only way to avoid hell is to accept Jesus, so no matter how good a person is, even if they spend every minute of their life helping others they are doomed to an eternity of suffering. Yet its also stated Jesus will forgive anything and anyone as long as you ask (nicely?) and believe in him. So how is what I said a misconception?

Is it a misconception because how I've worded it highlights just how ridiculous this whole sin and forgiveness thing actually is?

[Abracadabra]

@ Abracadabra, you have the most warped mind of anyone I've ever talked with, your responses are childish repeats with no good argument or reasoning.

You are blind to the hatefulness of your own religion Godschild.

To begin with the whole bible is riddled with extreme contradictions. It can't be supported to mean any one specific thing like the Christians continually claim. There is nothing childish about this observation. It's simply a fact.

You make the completely bogus claim that I have no good argument or reasoning for my position, but that is nothing more than outright denial on your part.

I've made an absolute air-tight case for my position.

In these utterly ignorant stupid fables that you support as the "Word of God" there exists the following crystal clear statements that cannot be denied.


John.5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son

Can John's words above be trusted to be the "Word of God" or not?

If they can, then they must STAND as absolute TRUTH.

Therefore all judgment has been committed to the Son which is claimed to be Jesus in these fables. And the Father judgeth no man. This is the supposed "Word of God".

Yet, when Jesus is beaten to a pulp and nailed to a pole to die he supposedly appeals to the Father as Luke states below:

Luke 23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.

Again, this comes straight out of the Bible and supposedly straight out of Jesus' own mouth according to Luke.

But therein lies a blatant contradiction already. Why is Jesus asking the Father to forgive anyone if all judgement has been committed to him? Does he not understand his new role as the sole judge of mankind?

That's a blatant contradiction right there. Supposedly Jesus doesn't even know that he's the judge. Clearly he still thinks the Father is the judge.

Secondly, what is he asking the Father to do? He's asking the Father to forgive people who are blatantly denying his divinity, and brutally nailing him to a pole with the intention of killing him, and they aren't even remotely thinking about asking him to forgive them for their actions.

However, it's clear that Jesus feels that they should be forgiven. And he appeals to the Father to forgive them (obviously forgetting that he's now the judge)

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What does this show?

Well, it clearly shows two things.

1. These fables are very poorly written fiction that aren't even consistent in their claims.

2. That even the character of Jesus in these fables will not condemn people for merely not believing in him, or even mocking him, or even physically beating him or nailing him to a pole.

So whether these stories are true or whether they are fictional fables makes absolutely no difference. The character Jesus is obviously prepared to forgive anyone if they merely don't fully understand that what they are doing is wrong.

So whether they are fables, or truth, it matters not. It makes absolutely no sense to proclaim that a person must believe in Jesus and ask for forgiveness in order to be forgiven by Jesus. Clearly Jesus will forgive people who spit in his face in-person, deny him in-person, and physical beat him and nail him to a pole.

Well, damn. If he'll forgive someone who will do all that to him in-person, he's sure as hell not going to be demanding that people 2000 years later must believe in extremely contradicting and absurdly ridiculous hearsay rumors lest he'll cast them into a hell fire.

So the whole Christian religion is nothing but a scam that can't even be supported by their very own doctrines. They have been lying about how Jesus might judge people for over 2000 years now.

It's right there in the scriptures!

Jesus will forgive people who blatantly deny him, beat the hell out of him, and nail him to a pole and leave him to die.

Whether these stories are true or entirely mythological fiction matters not.

It's a lie for Christians to hold up an ideal that non-acceptance of Jesus is grounds for condemnation because it flies directly in the face of what these very stories claim that Jesus did.

Jesus forgave people who did precisely what the Christians proclaim he will not forgive them for.

So fable, myth, or truth. It makes no difference. Christians have been misrepresenting Jesus and lying about him for centuries.

Christianity is about as anti-Jesus as a religion can be. It doesn't even properly portray the very myths that it's based on.

Jesus clearly does not demand that anyone believe in him, much less that they ask him for forgiveness. Jesus will forgive extremely violent atheists, and/or pagans, even according to the biblical mythology.

For the Bible Tells us so!

Case Closed.

[Killman]

I do not worry about hell, nor do I worry about my beliefs. How do you know there is nothing after one dies. Do you have proof there is no spirit, heaven and hell, remember because you have no physical evidence they exist, does not mean they do not exist. Two hundred years ago no one had any proof the galaxies existed, now we know there are billions.

I severely hate this argument. "Oh, you don't KNOW %100 that there is no god? Well, there must a god then!"

And the irony.....We know of other galaxies because of science and examination, something that most religious people are uncomfortable with. Strange.

Slight derailing FTW.

[Welsh cake]

Jesus loved me enough to die on my behalf and I love Him because He first loved me.

How do you know you're saved with that selfish mindset? Don't you fall into hypocrisy according to your own scriptures?

Luke 6:32 "If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' love those who love them."

Not to mention, HOW could he even sensibly love you if you didn't even exist at that time?

The true culprits in Christ's crucifixion was the Jewish leaders of that time

No. Your God was the mastermind. It was his sick and evil predetermined plan at work. No one else's. Jesus could have saved himself at any time if he wanted, but the moment he would've he'd be disobeying his father's will.

Matthew 26:53 Do you think I cannot call on my Father, and he will at once put at my disposal more than twelve legions of angels?

Its remarkable child, how the more and more I hear just how much you invested in this tribal-pile-of-goat-herding-crap, the more and more I am repulsed by it.

[znk666]

* eat fruit from a tree less than five years old. [Lev. 19:23]
* cross-breed animals. [Lev. 19:19]
* grow two different plants in your garden. [Lev. 19:19]
* wear a cotton-polyester blend T-Shirt. [Lev. 19:19]
* read your horoscope. [Lev. 19:26]
* consult a psychic. [Lev. 19:31]
* cut your hair. [Lev. 19:27]
* trim your beard. [Lev. 19:27]
* are tatooed. [Lev. 19:28]
* plant crops for more than seven years. [Lev. 25:4, Ex. 23:10-13]
* bear a grudge. [Lev. 19:17]
* collect interest on a loan. [Ex. 22:24]
* insult a leader. [Ex. 22:27]
* mistreat a foreigner. [Ex. 22:21, 23:9]
* spread false rumors. [Ex. 23:1]
* drive a Mercury. [Ex. 23:13]

Source:
http://www.angelfire.com/on4/calebhamer/index.html

Yes, if you do not know Christ as your savior. No matter how bad or how good one may be without Christ as your savior hell is the last stop.

So...If a Christian commits genocides or mass murders,such as Hitler they'll end up in heaven.
And if an atheist devouts his life to helping people,he'll end up in hell,where he's going to be eternally tormented.
Wow,your religion,like any other is a sickening atrocity.

[LastPoet]

@ Abracadabra, you have the most warped mind of anyone I've ever talked with, your responses are childish repeats with no good argument or reasoning.

Oh, the irony! It burnssss! You owe me a new meter!

As delusional as Abra may be regarding his 'spirits', it still pales in comparision to your beliefs GC.

Pot- Kettle, you are fucking black!

[Forsaken]

So...If a Christian commits genocides or mass murders,such as Hitler they'll end up in heaven.

Yep, as long as you accept JC as your saviour on your deathbed. For fuck's sake, he did not die in vain, he took all our sins upon himself so that we are free to do whatever we want to. Hitler might be hanging out with JC right now if he managed to accept him as his saviour just before committing suicide on April 30, 1945.

[thebigfudge]

Punch a baby ???

[5thHorseman]

So...If a Christian commits genocides or mass murders,such as Hitler they'll end up in heaven.

Yep, as long as you accept JC as your saviour on your deathbed. For fuck's sake, he did not die in vain, he took all our sins upon himself so that we are free to do whatever we want to. Hitler might be hanging out with JC right now if he managed to accept him as his saviour just before committing suicide on April 30, 1945.

No need, he was a Catholic, you know, one of them Christian folks who can do what they want as they have been baptised and accept Jesus. Get out of jail free card or what.

[The Grand Nudger]

Can't I just have someone baptize me after my death and remove all of those sins?