RE: Poll to see where you stand!
March 13, 2012 at 7:04 am
(This post was last modified: March 13, 2012 at 7:15 am by kılıç_mehmet.)
(March 12, 2012 at 4:30 pm)Rokcet Scientist Wrote:(March 12, 2012 at 3:34 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: Normally, I wouldn't classify myself as anything, but I guess I'm somewhere in the centre, I guess.
As a panturkist you are a bona fide fascist, mehmet.
Let's take into account the words of a famous pan-turkist, Tengrikut Gökbilge Hüseyin Nihal Atsız.
He speaks of this(the same words were directed towards him by the communists of his time) in his article, "Who is a fascist":
Quote:“Faşist” demek bir devrin İtalyan milliyetçisi demektir. İtalyanca “facio” kelimesinden doğan bu sıfat, Musolini’nin İtalyan milliyetçi partisi mensuplarına alem olmuş, İtalyan milliyetçiliğine de “faşizm” denmişti. Milliyetçiliğin milletleri sardığı sırada hepsi ayrı ayrı adlar almış; Almanlar “nazi” (Nasyonal Sosyalist’ten kısaltma), İspanyollar “falanjist”, Belçikalılar “reksist”, Romenler “gardist” kelimesini kullanmıştı. Bu disiplinli ve komünist düşmanı milliyetçilik ilk önce İtalya’da çıktığı için hepsine birden “faşizm” demek âdet olmuştu.
Translating this:
Quote:The word "Fascist" denotes an Itallian nationalist of any time. Since this is a word that comes from the Italian "facio", it has been used by the Italian nationalist party of Mussolini, and Italian nationalism has been known as fascism ever since. The people where nationalism has taken root have all had different names for their cause, for example Germans used "Nazi"(short for Nationalsozialist), Spaniards "Phalangist", Belgians "Recsists" and Rumanians "Gardists".
Since this type of disciplined, anti-communist type of nationalism was born in Italy, it was taken into consideration to use the umbrella term "Fascist" to them.
However, let's see what he further states:
Quote:Türkiye’de komünistler vardır. Gizli bir komünist partisi de 1920′den beri daima mevcut olmuştur. Fakat Türkiye’de faşist olmadığı gibi açık veya gizli bir faşist partisi de yoktur.Translation:
Komünistler milliyeti inkâr ettikleri için dünyadaki bütün komünist partileri dost ve müttefiktir. Halbuki her milliyetçilik başka milliyetçiliklerin aleyhinde olduğundan komünistlerin topyekûn faşist diye adlandırdığı ayrı milletlerin milliyetçileri birbirinin düşmanı veya zıddıdır.
Quote:There are communists in Turkey. And there has been a secret communist organisation in Turkey ever since 1920. However, just as there are no "fascists" in Turkey, there never was a fascist party, open, or secretive, in this country. Since communists disregard the notion of ethnicity and national belonging, each and every communist party on earth are eachother's friend and ally. However, each type of nationalism is not in the good graces of another type of nationalism, for that purpose, each type that the communist brands as fascism may stand against eachother, or be hostile towards eachother for that case.
Quote:Türkiye’de faşist, şu veya bu değil, Türkçü gençler vardır. Bunlar göğüslerine millî alâmet olan Bozkurtlu rozet takarlar ve kendilerine Bozkurt derler. Komünistlerin gemi azıya aldığı yıllarda Adalet Partisi, kasdî mi olduğu hâlâ anlaşılmayan bir acz içinde olaylara seyirci kalırken millî duyguyu ve hattâ devleti bilek gücü ile savunanlar, düşmanları tarafından komando diye adlandırılan bu Bozkurtlardı.
Translation:
Quote:In Turkey, there are no fascist, this way or that way, only Turkist youth. These have the Bozkurt(grey wolf) pin on their chests, and call themselves Grey Wolves. When at the days when the communists have abducted ships, and the government stood still against them for some reasons unknown, these were the ones who stood up against them with strength of will, and protected the state, the ones who were named "commandos" by their enemies.Here, he talks about how the communists resorted to acts of terror and lawlessness to get their point across. Turkist youth have never resorted to acts of violence unless it was absolutely necessary, and when they did, it was in a fair fashion, not like the communists whose ways of killing one was to plant explosives under the seats of the people in coffee houses.
Quote:Millî sembol düşmanlığı, milliyet düşmanlığı, milliyetçi düşmanlığı, millet düşmanlığı acaba nerelere kadar yürüyecek? Onlara şairin şu beytini hatırlatacağız:Translation:
Bu kavmın titre makrûn-ı adâlet intikamından;
Kılıçlar çıkmasın bir kerre pür-satvet niyâmından.
Quote:The animosity towards a national symbol, towards the nation, towards the nationalist, where will it lead? We shall remind them of the lines of this poet:Here, he gives out a polite warning, to those who would seek to destroy our national values.
"Fear the just vengeance of this nation,
hope that the wrathful swords never leave their sheath. "
I hope this has been helpful in providing some understanding on why nationalists in different parts of the world ought to be called by their own names, and not be judged by the standards of the other.
I personally do not see any similarity between our ideology, and the ideology of the Italian nationalist(the fascist).
(March 12, 2012 at 5:32 pm)Rhythm Wrote: No, he isn't, because he doesn't like the word facist, because it isn't a turkish word....He's already explained this.
Besides that fact, pan-Turkism is a much older movement than fascism.
Fascism holds no "Pan" type of ideas. Frankly, it doesn't have to, as they had their pan-state a long time ago, which did not have the name "fascism" but operated under the name of the "Roman empire", which united all the latin peoples of Italy, and went even further to latinize a number of others, not to mention the whole of Gaul, Celtiberia and parts of the Balkans.
The Turkish ideal of a panturkic state emerged in Russia and France. Not in Germany, not in Italy, not even in Turkey.
It's nothing but unjust to state that we might be "offshoots" of the fascist ideology of Italy.
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