I Am A Christain ask me a Question.

[P3RFECT]

P3rfect,
You say you are a "Christian", so my question for you would be, from which branch of "Christianity" have you put your faith in?

Also, how do you view other sects of "Faith based beliefs" that believe in a higher power or life? Islam/Judaism/Hindu/Buddhism/Pagan etc. etc.

Do you put your faith in the Christian Bible and if so, which version? Also, do you believe people need the Bible to believe in the same "god" you have put your faith in?

1.) I don't really like to refer to myself of pertaining to any specific denomination. I read from the original. The 66 books (Bible) that doesn't pertain to any actual denomination. I do go to church, but I forget the name of the church. My bad. Goodwill I believe is the name.

2.) Some faiths I respect even though I believe they are incorrect and some faiths I don't like at all such as Islam.

3.) I believe people can find God without the Bible, but the Bible is still important to know his rules and so forth.

[Edwardo Piet]

As I stated above I do not myself have physical evidence to support the existence of God that would change your mind within 10 minutes.

What I would like to do is discuss the term faith and rationality or irrationality behind it. It seems we differ on the definition of that by your qoutes and the discussion on the other thread. If you don't mind.

Yes you are welcome to discuss it in that thread.

The simplest reason I can give is in my quote and the OP for that thread ('Why the term 'rational faith' is an oxymoron').

I know you said you don't have physical evidence. But does that mean you admit that you have no valid reason to believe at all? No rational reasons to believe AT ALL?

Because if you had rational reasons to believe that WERE valid that DID hold true because God DOES exist then that would IOW equate to evidence of his existence.

If you have no evidence you IOW have no valid reasons to believe in God's existence - if you did it would IOW equate to evidence of his existence.

So, what valid reason(s) of any shape or form do you have to believe in God's existence? Or in another translation, IOW: What evidence of any shape or form do you have of God's existence?

EvF

[leo-rcc]

Hi P3rfect,

Welcome to the forum.

I have no questions for you, I just hope you enjoy your stay.

[P3RFECT]

Yes you are welcome to discuss it in that thread.

The simplest reason I can give is in my quote and the OP for that thread ('Why the term 'rational faith' is an oxymoron').

I know you said you don't have physical evidence. But does that mean you admit that you have no valid reason to believe at all? No rational reasons to believe AT ALL?

Because if you had rational reasons to believe that WERE valid that DID hold true because God DOES exist then that would IOW equate to evidence of his existence.

If you have no evidence you IOW have no valid reasons to believe in God's existence - if you did it would IOW equate to evidence of his existence.

So, what valid reason(s) of any shape or form do you have to believe in God's existence? Or in another translation, IOW: What evidence of any shape or form do you have of God's existence?

EvF

To state that believing in something must be based on rationality and that rationality must equate to physical evidence isn't always true.

First when I was questioning my faith I researched the Bible. The reliability of the texts that was written. The historicity within the book. The rules, commandments, morality of it. The arguments of many individuals of different faiths bringing forth so called fallacy in the Bible finding them to be incorrect in there attempts. The emotional experiences. The life experiences.

What you are repeating is that do I have actual physical evidence to hold in my hand to state "God Exists" that is something that I do not have. Then you state "If you do not have such evidence then how can you come to the conclusion that your faith is true?

I will say to you it is not a matter of physical evidence to state what I believe is true. It is a matter of collaboration, collection, examinations, study, research and experiences that bring forth the persuasion. Years of things that have done and have happened to mean. If you want full description then I will have to write a book and tell you my life story.

Hi P3rfect,

Welcome to the forum.

I have no questions for you, I just hope you enjoy your stay.

Thank you for welcoming me.

[lrh9]

I have no questions. Only statements.

[Samson]

1.) I don't really like to refer to myself of pertaining to any specific denomination. I read from the original. The 66 books (Bible) that doesn't pertain to any actual denomination. I do go to church, but I forget the name of the church. My bad. Goodwill I believe is the name.

Have you taken in considering the Catholics version was before the Christians, and the Catholics did nothing but rip it off from the Torah and claim their own versions of add/subtract....And if you really want to break the Torah version down, the Gnostic(s) were before them...

Do you believe your Bible is the correct one and the only one that is true??

2.) Some faiths I respect even though I believe they are incorrect and some faiths I don't like at all such as Islam.

Do you believe that Christianity is the only way to "your" god, and in asking that, do you believe everyone else will be burning in a hell fire when they die if they are not of your sect? Are do you believe there are other gods from which they will be with whom do not follow your sect??

3.) I believe people can find God without the Bible, but the Bible is still important to know his rules and so forth.

Considering that a Jesus was not a "Christian" and should be more than obvious that he was in a time of the Torah and preaching from it as many Gnostic(s) before a Jesus were doing....How do you feel about the Old Testaments "Rules put forth".....Keep in mind that in the NT Jesus made it very clear that we should not forget the laws and commandments of the O.T.

In saying that, do you follow the rules of Slavery, Rape, genocide, and making sure to kill all non-believers, and witches???

You say you do not like Islam, but they are simply following your Old Testament, with of course a few added in writings of their own.....

[P3RFECT]

1.) Christians is the main core of the belief system. Catholic is a denomination, but I understand what you mean.

The Torah is the Jewish book. The Old Testament is the Torah. The Old Testament aka Torah has not been edited been stayed in it's original for. The argument people have with is the New Testament.

Gnostic gospels pertain to New Testament. False Gnostic gospels.

Catholic bible has 73 books. The book I follow has 66. Do I believe I am following the correct bible? yes


2.) I believe that if you believe Jesus Christ is your lord and savior that you will enter the kingdom of Heaven.



3.) Christian is just short for Christianity which comes from Jesus Christ. Yes Jesus was Jewish.

Jesus said follow the Old Testament rules, but Jesus also changed things.

That is incorrect. The Muslims are not following the Old Testament. They have taken big portions of the Old Testament and New Testament and changed it. Editing the stories.


There are 3 types of law in the Old Testament: moral, cultural, and ritual.

An example of the moral law would be the Ten Commandments. These laws reflect what is
right and wrong according to God, and should ideally be obeyed. The cultural law was
intended to govern that specific society at that specific time. These had to do with
punishments for crime and minute details of life applicable only to that culture and
time period. Destroying evil since it was harder for sin to be forgiven before Christ.

The ritual law was intended to point toward the coming Messiah. Once the Messiah
Himself appeared, these laws no longer served a purpose. An example would be the
animal sacrifices for the temporary remission of sins. Now that Jesus has been a
permanent sacrifice for our sins, we don't need to continue any longer in practices
intended to foreshadow that which has now come.

[Edwardo Piet]

Perf3ct....

I did not say PHYSICAL evidence once...I said EVIDENCE....as in - ANY evidence.

If you have reasons to believe in God that do indeed indicate in SOME way that he actually exists - then if that's true they would IOW be evidence.

So when I am asking for evidence of God...I mean ANY evidence...as in: ANY valid reasons to believe that he actually exists.

EvF

[P3RFECT]

Perf3ct....

I did not say PHYSICAL evidence once...I said EVIDENCE....as in - ANY evidence.

If you have reasons to believe in God that do indeed indicate in SOME way that he actually exists - then if that's true they would IOW be evidence.

So when I am asking for evidence of God...I mean ANY evidence...as in: ANY valid reasons to believe that he actually exists.

EvF

What type of evidence would make you believe God exists?

[Samson]

An example of the moral law would be the Ten Commandments. These laws reflect what is
right and wrong according to God, and should ideally be obeyed. The cultural law was
intended to govern that specific society at that specific time. These had to do with
punishments for crime and minute details of life applicable only to that culture and
time period. Destroying evil since it was harder for sin to be forgiven before Christ.

It should not be a big secret that half of those commandments have been in place before a Torah, Christian Bible or Qu’ran….This was carved in by man, and by men who believed in many gods. There “Thou’s” was put in place for government and social, not a god.

The ritual law was intended to point toward the coming Messiah. Once the Messiah
Himself appeared, these laws no longer served a purpose. An example would be the
animal sacrifices for the temporary remission of sins. Now that Jesus has been a
permanent sacrifice for our sins, we don't need to continue any longer in practices
intended to foreshadow that which has now come.

You are only half correct….That would be the case for his sacrifice; however before his death he made it very clear that humanity is to still follow the laws and commandments of Moses. And this was more than proven/justified by Jesus stating his acceptance of slavery, hate, and punishments that the O.T. declared more than once throughout it.

Also a couple of point outs:

The argument people have is more than just with the N.T. Keep in mind that in the original text of the O.T. from the Christian Bible and the Torah…. “Hell” was never mentioned… The word “Grave” was in place of what was later changed to “Hell”…. That one mistranslation changed the course of history in a very deadly way.....

Number two: Half of my family is Muslim and I have read the Christian Bible, along with, the Qur’an… I never said they were following the O.T. "Exactly", but that it was almost the O.T. with a bit of their own made up faith mixed in. Keep in mind, I don’t believe in either one, but I felt as if I was reading the same two books but with different outcomes on certain circumstances, along with, some new and old names involved. And of course they have their own stories etc....

I asked you before, but never really answered…. Do you believe that 90% of this world will be in hell?? Because as it stands, that’s a pretty close educated guess in percentage that will not be skipping down the golden road and entering in the pearly gates in the end. (By the Bible standards that is)….