Yahweh: The worshiping of a Volcano / fire GOD of War.

[TheJackel]

@ The Jackel seems the posted info you gave eliminates your sight also, no Mt. Sinai in Arabia. You should have stopped before you put your foot in your mouth. You ignore evidence or use false evidence to try discredit. Like the water in the caldera at Yellow Stone, if i were not for the run off waters that go through the caldera no water there would be useful for human use. You avoid facts and use knowingly, things that aide in your avoidance. As far as scientist stating that Jebel al Lawz is not Mt. Siniai, what proof do they have, looking at pictures of the mountain just doesn't get it.

The actual site may never be known.. My article doesn't rest on claiming the actual volcano or Mt Sinai, it simply points out likely candidates based on where the Medianites / Shasu of YHW lived, and what's within 3 days distance. And it so happens to be the same exact area Moses has supposedly spent 40 years of his life.. Yep, the same area where YHW or *Jahve* the volcano GOD was worshiped. It doesn't take a genius to figure this out.. Especially after you read the bible's description of this deity being equivalent to that of a volcano.. But back to the specific site, It can be anyone of those Volcanoes At or around the Red Sea. Especially if they considered all volcanoes equated to said GOD. And worse yet, if they claim all volcanoes that of GOD, Mt Sinai could be a fictional mountain as a place card for any of the volcanoes the could choose to camp at and worship. And Exodus, or even Moses could be fictional all together as well. But the funny part is that in neither of those cases will it invalidate the fact that what is being worshiped is a volcano god.

And far as Jebel al Lawz, scientists know a hell of a lot more than you do about geology and the rocks.. If you haven't noticed, the basalt rocks are not confined to that mountain area either. Oh that's something they don't show you in the pictures on your Christian websites.. And Geologists don't just "look" at pictures... You must be really ignorant if you think that's all they do.. and the funny part is, it's you to whom knows nothing about the subject trying to look at pictures and magically assume it's Mt Sinai.. What's worse is that you ignore the GOD's proper names, and where they derive from. This to which I clearly outlined in my article.

Let's just put it this way, your evidence is laughable and doesn't even come close to matching what is described in the bible. Nor could they travel that distance in 3 days.. And guess what are in 3 days distance? Yep several volcanoes !!

Yeah, I think I will take the empirically supported answer that is actually consistent to the region, to the people in the region, and in accordance to what is actually described in the bible..

[Godscreated]

@ The Jackel seems the posted info you gave eliminates your sight also, no Mt. Sinai in Arabia. You should have stopped before you put your foot in your mouth. You ignore evidence or use false evidence to try discredit. Like the water in the caldera at Yellow Stone, if i were not for the run off waters that go through the caldera no water there would be useful for human use. You avoid facts and use knowingly, things that aide in your avoidance. As far as scientist stating that Jebel al Lawz is not Mt. Siniai, what proof do they have, looking at pictures of the mountain just doesn't get it.

The actual site may never be known.. My article doesn't rest on claiming the actual volcano or Mt Sinai, it simply points out likely candidates based on where the Medianites / Shasu of YHW lived, and what's within 3 days distance. And it so happens to be the same exact area Moses has supposedly spent 40 years of his life.. Yep, the same area where YHW or *Jahve* the volcano GOD was worshiped. It doesn't take a genius to figure this out.. Especially after you read the bible's description of this deity being equivalent to that of a volcano.. But back to the specific site, It can be anyone of those Volcanoes At or around the Red Sea. Especially if they considered all volcanoes equated to said GOD. And worse yet, if they claim all volcanoes that of GOD, Mt Sinai could be a fictional mountain as a place card for any of the volcanoes the could choose to camp at and worship. And Exodus, or even Moses could be fictional all together as well. But the funny part is that in neither of those cases will it invalidate the fact that what is being worshiped is a volcano god.

And far as Jebel al Lawz, scientists know a hell of a lot more than you do about geology and the rocks.. If you haven't noticed, the basalt rocks are not confined to that mountain area either. Oh that's something they don't show you in the pictures on your Christian websites.. And Geologists don't just "look" at pictures... You must be really ignorant if you think that's all they do.. and the funny part is, it's you to whom knows nothing about the subject trying to look at pictures and magically assume it's Mt Sinai.. What's worse is that you ignore the GOD's proper names, and where they derive from. This to which I clearly outlined in my article.

Let's just put it this way, your evidence is laughable and doesn't even come close to matching what is described in the bible. Nor could they travel that distance in 3 days.. And guess what are in 3 days distance? Yep several volcanoes !!

Yeah, I think I will take the empirically supported answer that is actually consistent to the region, to the people in the region, and in accordance to what is actually described in the bible..

Your three day travel is based on the place you believe the Israeli nation crossed the Red Sea, and the travel is base on a 30 to 35 miles a day travel. That many miles by a mass of people, with cattle, donkeys and other live stock is unreasonable. The numbers I have seen on travel in that area by people who have actually walked that area say it's not possible, they were unable to do better than 20 miles or so and they did not have sick and elderly people traveling with them. The scriptures do not support a crossing of the Red Sea at that point.

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. Like the water in the caldera at Yellow Stone, if i were not for the run off waters that go through the caldera no water there would be useful for human use.

If it weren't for run off that goes through any populated area, gc, there would be no water fit for human use anywhere in the world. There will be no streams, no springs, no lakes, For that matter no self replenishing ground water, nothing.

And as it happens, felsic volcanoes are unusually good at catching rainfall, storing them in aquifer consisting of loosely consolidated ash or cinder deposits or fractured and porous lava flows, the sending them out as springs and seeps lower down on the edifice. So the base of volcanoes tends to be oasis in otherwise dry and desolate plains.

But since you are a unusually besotted even for a Christian, it should come as no surprise that you are always this dense.

avoid facts and use knowingly, things that aide in your avoidance. As far as scientist stating that Jebel al Lawz is not Mt. Siniai, what proof do they have, looking at pictures of the mountain just doesn't get it.

Looking at any part of genesis what proof does any of you bible besotted yokels have?

Laugh at this, that area receives only a half inch of rain a years. Let see you make a stream out of that, let lone supply water for at least 600,000 people, live stock and daily cleaning for a year.

[TheJackel]

Do you have a record for the screen name "TheJackel" ?

Don't be precious.



I have no idea if you are a sock puppet,or just the intellectual twin of an other poster. The overall content ,tone and attitude of your posts are remarkably similar and every bit as credible.(ie not at all)

Ok... , we will just let you decide what you want to think of that. Not much I can do to influence whatever opinion you choose go with. :/ However, what would that have to do with the subject of this thread?

[Minimalist]

The lunacy of the exodus tale is palpable to all but the dumbest of fundies and G-C is one of those. Before you worry too much about the rate of march you might try to give a little thought to the animals allegedly along for the walk. Sheep and goats graze with sheep preferring grass. This does not lead to a great deal of speed.

Of course, in Sinai



the last fucking thing you have to worry about is grass to begin with which means that the animals starve to death but, before they starve to death the lack of water would have done them in!

In fact, the only practical route across Sinai was the Egyptian's Way of Horus which had some re-supply stations scattered along its length so that travelers, (military or otherwise) would not drop dead in droves.

Ah, but the "Israelites" were warned to avoid the northern route because of the Philistines... which brings to us the spectacle of a god who can beat the tar out of Egypt but shits his pants at the thought of facing off with the Philistines....who weren't even there yet!

Really, G-C, you should be embarrassed to fall for such utter bullshit but I know you well enough by now to see that you will simply dismiss reality and cling to your fucking fairy tales even harder.

[Shell B]

TheJackel, it would be extremely relevant if you were a sockpuppet. If you were in fact that ex-member, you would know the reason for that, as you would have been told numerous times.

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You have me quite curious now... I tried to do a search on this site to see if I had ever been here before as I have been to more than a few sites over the years.. However I can not find anything, and I don't exactly recognize this site. I am pretty sure I haven't been here before as a registered user. I know it's not a big deal but I'm rather quite curious.. If I had, it must have been quite a while ago. Do you have a record for the screen name "TheJackel" ?

Cute. A new member would be unable to sign up under the same name as an old member. A person who has signed up under multiple accounts would know this.

Now it depends on what "quite a while" means to you. Perhaps about a month, if that?

Now, if you want to explain why the old member is the author of a blog on which the article you attributed to yourself on newsvine appears, I'm all eyes.

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

Now, if you want to explain why the old member is the author of a blog on which the article you attributed to yourself on newsvine appears, I'm all eyes.

Game set and match.

[TheJackel]

Your three day travel is based on the place you believe the Israeli nation crossed the Red Sea, and the travel is base on a 30 to 35 miles a day travel. That many miles by a mass of people, with cattle, donkeys and other live stock is unreasonable. The numbers I have seen on travel in that area by people who have actually walked that area say it's not possible, they were unable to do better than 20 miles or so and they did not have sick and elderly people traveling with them. The scriptures do not support a crossing of the Red Sea at that point.

Yeah and parting the red sea is about as believable as Zombies having sex and giving birth to baby zombies. .. Btw, it's based on 20 - 25 miles a day. And yes it is unreasonable, and it's why it's also evidence against the idea the Exodus had actually ever occurred. And you do realize you are in no better position regardless of where you cross. And btw, the crossing suggested would actually beneficial to the argument I am suggesting. No where does this argument of yours benefit you what-so-ever.

Laugh at this, that area receives only a half inch of rain a years. Let see you make a stream out of that, let lone supply water for at least 600,000 people, live stock and daily cleaning for a year.

You didn't read his whole thing did you.. And please prove there were 600,000 people. It would have take them more than 3 days to even count 600,000 people... And there is zero evidence supporting that many people migrating out of Egypt. Nor does it discuss exactly how many people died along the way. And again, your argument here is resting entirely on your assumptions of the conditions at the time, and your assumptions of the place they were at.. It's pretty funny that your entire argument rests on "rain water" as a means to ignore all the evidence presented. So I will repeat, you argument is entirely irrelevant to establishing the fact that these people worshiped a volcano GOD...

Also, there are volcanoes around the The Jezreel Valley.. Have you ever read Judges? This gives evidence that any and all Volcanoes were regarded as GOD, or the dwelling of their Lord..

Here's the Valley:

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&bav=on...CCkQ8gEwAA

Here are the Volcano locations near the Valley:

http://alien-homepage.de/volcano/maps/re..._zone.html

Here is some scripture from judges:

* Judges 5:5 The mountains melted from before the LORD, even that Sinai from before the LORD God of Israel.

* Judges 10:7 And the anger of the LORD was hot against Israel, and He sold them into the hands of the Philistines and into the hands of the children of Ammon.

* Judges 13: 16 - 20 16 And the angel of the LORD said unto Manoah, "Though thou detain me, I will not eat of thy bread; and if thou wilt offer a burnt offering, thou must offer it unto the LORD." For Manoah knew not that he was an angel of the LORD. 17 And Manoah said unto the angel of the LORD, "What is thy name, that when thy sayings come to pass we may do thee honor?" 18 And the angel of the LORD said unto him, "Why askest thou thus after my name, seeing it is secret?" 19 So Manoah took a kid with a meat offering, and offered it upon a rock unto the LORD; and the angel did wondrously, and Manoah and his wife looked on. 20 For it came to pass, when the flame went up toward heaven from off the altar, that the angel of the LORD ascended in the flame of the altar. And Manoah and his wife looked on it, and fell on their faces to the ground.

Fun stuff!

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Now, if you want to explain why the old member is the author of a blog on which the article you attributed to yourself on newsvine appears, I'm all eyes.

Game set and match.

As far as a former member here.. Well, I am not sure if I've had an account here, though it's possible. I've been on more than just one Atheist forum, many of which don't exist anymore. Some of them I've closed accounts on, and others I haven't visited in ages. Like I said, I spend most of my time on Newsvine if I am blogging at all. Feel free to check my post history there. As for the Newsvine account or some sock-puppet comment in regards to that... Well, that's rather easy to fix as you can go back to that Article posted and look for this phrase:

Yeah it's me, the flaming evil sock-puppet

So perhaps we can work on just answering my question on whether or not I had ever had an account here. Yes..., No? If so, thanks for the welcome back party. Some how I get the feeling that if I had been here before, it wasn't a very memorable experience. That sounds offensive, but sorry, that is just how it is.. o.O

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

So perhaps we can work on just answering my question if I had at one time ever had an account here. Yes..., No? If so, thanks for the welcome back party.

I think you are a sock puppet,if that if is so, the mods will ban you as sock puppets are not allowed..


If you are genuine, you will probably be banned soon enough on your own merits. Or not.

Irrelevant to me you understand, I think your posts are crackpottery of the first water,of the type common with a certain type of obsessive autodidact out of his depth. I'm sure you are a very decent chap and all that,but I think your posts are rubbish and can't be bothered with you.

[TheJackel]

So perhaps we can work on just answering my question if I had at one time ever had an account here. Yes..., No? If so, thanks for the welcome back party.

I think you are a sock puppet,if that if is so, the mods will ban you as sock puppets are not allowed..


If you are genuine, you will probably be banned soon enough on your own merits. Or not.

Irrelevant to me you understand, I think your posts are crackpottery of the first water,of the type common with a certain type of obsessive autodidact out of his depth. I'm sure you are a very decent chap and all that,but I think your posts are rubbish and can't be bothered with you.

Ok, whatever makes you feel good..

[Shell B]

How about this? Is this your blog? http://ohmyvolcano.blogspot.com/