Grandma isn't in heaven

[JohnDG]

I certainly hope and pray he will do better than I have.

What have you done besides perpetuate ignorance? Are you changing the world? Are you saving starving children or still buying nike's that slaves make for $0.25 a day? Are you promoting peace and love or are you simply trying to instill the fear of hell into people? What have you done?

Or is it simple, and you just can't live up to your own standards so you critisize non beleivers and glorify any stupid thing that you can use to try and prove your point?

I just want to know what the child of a Genocidal Obssessive Dictator is posting. I just never understand your post or why you post....

Not attacking you, just popped up in my head.

[Cinjin]

“Our smiles froze in place,” says Brenda. “All the comfort I’ve had since her death vanished.”

Awesome! Pathetically Awesome!

Listen to them grasp at straws - trying desperately to conquer their own fear.

“We suggested maybe he didn’t recognize her because she looked younger in heaven. He smiled and said, ‘Mom, you recognize everyone in heaven. Grandma wasn’t around.’”

The revelation has divided the family. Some doubt Jeremy had an out-of-body experience at all. Others suggest that during Jeremy’s visit to heaven, Grandma Spencer was elsewhere on God’s business.

Many are wondering if Grandma Spencer ever made a solid declaration of faith.

Now I’m racking my brain to remember if she ever claimed Christ or not. I want anything to hold onto.”

"I want anything to hold onto." That says it all doesn't it. So terribly afraid of death because of that damn disease known as religion.

Pathetic

[Godscreated]

I certainly hope and pray he will do better than I have.

What have you done besides perpetuate ignorance? Are you changing the world? Are you saving starving children or still buying nike's that slaves make for $0.25 a day? Are you promoting peace and love or are you simply trying to instill the fear of hell into people? What have you done?

Or is it simple, and you just can't live up to your own standards so you critisize non beleivers and glorify any stupid thing that you can use to try and prove your point?

I just want to know what the child of a Genocidal Obssessive Dictator is posting. I just never understand your post or why you post....

Not attacking you, just popped up in my head.

What I've done or what I do is none of your business, I was stating my hopes for this child. If you can not understand my post I would suggest you quit reading them, find a different way to use your time.

[Cinjin]

ah yes ... I see this site has toughened up GC a bit. I remember when he never said a hostile word .... but now he keeps his gloves on him.

Good for you GC ... you tough-talk 'em like Jesus would.

[Handprint]

There is no Heaven.

There is no Hell.

There is NOTHING beyond this life. No after life. Saying there's an afterlife is like asking what happens after a movie ends. Nothing happens after a movie ends and nothing happens after death. I understand that people might make this up to comfort themselves, because they miss the people who've passed on but it makes no logical sense otherwise.

Children make stuff up all the time.

[Neo-Scholastic]

I understand that people might make this up to comfort themselves, because they miss the people who've passed on but it makes no logical sense otherwise.

While I understand this sentiment from a non-theistic perspective, I'd be more concerned about comforting the family within their own Christian frame of reference. What I mean is this. Even if you think their beliefs are utter nonsense, it's not a teachable moment.

[Handprint]

I understand that people might make this up to comfort themselves, because they miss the people who've passed on but it makes no logical sense otherwise.

While I understand this sentiment from a non-theistic perspective, I'd be more concerned about comforting the family within their own Christian frame of reference. What I mean is this. Even if you think their beliefs are utter nonsense, it's not a teachable moment.

I wouldn't use it as a teachable moment.

Why would you be more concerned about comforting in their own frame of reference?

I don't think i could do this. This would require thinking like they do and speaking within the language of their belief system, which, i...don't believe in.

[Tempus]

I understand that people might make this up to comfort themselves, because they miss the people who've passed on but it makes no logical sense otherwise.

While I understand this sentiment from a non-theistic perspective, I'd be more concerned about comforting the family within their own Christian frame of reference. What I mean is this. Even if you think their beliefs are utter nonsense, it's not a teachable moment.

Agreed. Also, there's not much point making logical arguments against these people's beliefs if they don't understand logic (and just as importantly - bad logic). This is basically the case with my parents. They don't understand why the reasons they believe X are faulty, but pointing out said bad reasoning gets me nowhere if they don't understand why it's bad. So I usually just stay silent when they say something like that (thankfully they're not religious). This isn't a resignation that they'll never understand, but merely an acknowledgement that there's a lot of groundwork that needs to be laid before saying "there's no evidence this kid even went to heaven" and getting a reasonable response. In my case I simply can't be bothered laying that groundwork since I have better things to do.

[Norfolk And Chance]

Grandma's in hell. She was having sex in all the wrong places.

What, like up the arse?

[Paul the Human]

Grandma's in hell. She was having sex in all the wrong places.

What, like up the arse?

Who said that would be wrong?