THE BIBLE: God’s Word or Man’s?

[Tobie]

And what magical "light sources" would these be? All light ( by light, I mean all of the spectrum of electromagnetic radiation ) originates from some sort of interaction between matter ( thanks to the mass-energy equivalence) so if there was no matter, there can be no light ( even the virtual ones, which are the mediators of the electromagnetic force, still need matter to occur ).

Don't say god can create light, because if one was to exist, it would not exist in the physical world, so has no mass or matter, so cannot release energy of any kind.

[Anomalocaris]

The book of Isaiah has been dated to 732 B.C.E or the 8th Century B.C.E, which puts it 200 years ahead of the Greeks. And then of course there's the matter of the book of Job which describes the earth as hanging upon nothing--indicating invisible gravity.It wasn't until the 20th century that astronauts were able to confirm what Moses wrote in the book of Job, that the earth indeed appears to be hanging upon nothing when seen from outer space.

and yet they hadn't figured out that light comes from the sun and the stars and wrote that they were created after light showed up. Umm, oops, jesus has to be a little embarrassed about that one.

ALTER2EGO -to- CINJIN:
Since none of us were around when Jehovah was doing the creating, who is say what source of light he used prior to him creating the sun, moon, and the stars on Creative Day #3? The Bible does not say, but as Creator, he was capable of using other sources of light.

Since you were not around, who i are you to say there was any Jehovah, that he did the creating, and that what transpired was anything like what bible said, that he was capable of using other light sources, or there was a light source, and there was he, for there to even be any relationship.

Go fuck off.

[Alter2Ego]

What you fail to realize is that Bible writers often elaborate on what they had earlier reported on. So the second time you see the same event reported, that is the elaboration where the reader is getting a little more information.

So the bible writers "get more information" and "elaborate".

ALTER2EGO -to- DOWN BEAT PLUMB:
No, that's not what I'm saying at all. They are writing about the same incident in two different places. The first mention of the incident is often a quick summary. The second mention is an elaboration in which they give more details.

To see what I'm saying, read Genesis 1:1 where, for the first time, we are told "the heavens" were created. Then skip down to Genesis 1:6-8, and you will see that Moses is explaining what "heaven" is. Moses does this repeatedly when writing about the Genesis creation account. I can give you several examples of this if you wish.

[Cyberman]

Since none of us were around when Jehovah was doing the creating, who is say what source of light he used prior to him creating the sun, moon, and the stars on Creative Day #3? The Bible does not say, but as Creator, he was capable of using other sources of light.

Since this is an asssertion without evidence, it can be dismissed without evidence.

[Alter2Ego]

Oh dear, another clueless christian who learnt everything they think they know about evolution from Answersingenesis. And therefore actually know nothing.

Heads up for you kid.

You need to first prove that the universe is only 6000 years old before you try to attack evolution.

And given that EVERY field of scientific endeavour supports an old universe,
wellll... good luck with that

Since I don't believe the universe is only 6,000 years old, you're using the wrong rebuttal with me. According to Bible chronology, humans have existed about 6,000 years. Notice I bolded the word "humans." Nobody knows the age of the universe. It's most logically billions of years old.

You fail bigtime kid.

Using the bible to support the bible will get you nowhere fast here.

Ps your bible says that god created the universe a few days before he created humans.

Or are you saying that the bible is in error?

ALTER2EGO -to- ZEN BADGER:
Not only does Bible chronology date human existence to only about 6,000 years, but written human history that has no connection with the Bible (secular history) only goes back about 5,500 years. In other words, secular history doesn't help your case for the age of man's existence.

The fragments of pottery are about 5,500 years old

Exclusive by BBC News Online Science Editor Dr David Whitehouse

The first known examples of writing may have been unearthed at an archaeological dig in Pakistan.

So-called 'plant-like' and 'trident-shaped' markings have been found on fragments of pottery dating back 5500 years.

They were found at a site called Harappa in the region where the great Harappan or Indus civilisation flourished four and a half thousand years ago.

Harappa was originally a small settlement in 3500 BC but by 2600 BC it had developed into a major urban centre.

The earliest known writing was etched onto jars before and after firing. Experts believe they may have indicated the contents of the jar or be signs associated with a deity.

According to Dr Richard Meadow of Harvard University, the director of the Harappa Archaeological Research Project, these primitive inscriptions found on pottery may pre-date all other known writing.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/334517.stm


I Will address the other part of your rebuttal in another post.

[Norfolk And Chance]

Oh wow, you really believe that god created humans 6,000 years ago?

[Alter2Ego]

Using the bible to support the bible will get you nowhere fast here.

Ps your bible says that god created the universe a few days before he created humans.

Or are you saying that the bible is in error?

ALTER2EGO -to- ZEN BADGER:
The Genesis creation account does not use six literal 24-hour human days. They are "Creative" days, measured from the viewpoint of God who is eternal. Since God is eternal (meaning he has no beginning and no end), a mere 24-hour human day would resemble a speck from his viewpoint. Therefore, he does not apply 24-hour time spans to himself; he applies it only to humans. And since there were no humans around during the Genesis creating period, 24-hour time spans did not come into play at that particular time.

"Before the mountains themselves were born, or you proceeded to bring forth as with labor pains the earth and the productive land, even from time indefinite to time indefinite you are God." (Psalms 90:2)


From God's viewpoint, the maximum conversion--when dealing with mortal humans--is that a thousand human years is like a day to God.

"However, let this one fact not be escaping your notice, beloved ones, that one day is with Jehovah as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day."
(2 Peter 3:8)

[Zen Badger]

Using the bible to support the bible will get you nowhere fast here.

Ps your bible says that god created the universe a few days before he created humans.

Or are you saying that the bible is in error?

ALTER2EGO -to- ZEN BADGER:
The Genesis creation account does not use six literal 24-hour human days. They are "Creative" days, measured from the viewpoint of God who is eternal. Since God is eternal (meaning he has no beginning and no end), a mere 24-hour human day would resemble a speck from his viewpoint. Therefore, he does not apply 24-hour time spans to himself; he applies it only to humans. And since there were no humans around during the Genesis creating period, 24-hour time spans did not come into play at that particular time.

"Before the mountains themselves were born, or you proceeded to bring forth as with labor pains the earth and the productive land, even from time indefinite to time indefinite you are God." (Psalms 90:2)


From God's viewpoint, the maximum conversion--when dealing with mortal humans--is that a thousand human years is like a day to God.

"However, let this one fact not be escaping your notice, beloved ones, that one day is with Jehovah as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day."
(2 Peter 3:8)

The folk at AIG would disagree with you.

They specifically state that the genesis account entails literal 24 hour days. based on this....

1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Of course, in reality these are just different interpretations of a fairytale.

[downbeatplumb]

Not only does Bible chronology date human existence to only about 6,000 years, but written human history that has no connection with the Bible (secular history) only goes back about 5,500 years. In other words, secular history doesn't help your case for the age of man's existence.[/size][/color]

The fragments of pottery are about 5,500 years old

Exclusive by BBC News Online Science Editor Dr David Whitehouse

The first known examples of writing may have been unearthed at an archaeological dig in Pakistan.

So-called 'plant-like' and 'trident-shaped' markings have been found on fragments of pottery dating back 5500 years.

They were found at a site called Harappa in the region where the great Harappan or Indus civilisation flourished four and a half thousand years ago.

Harappa was originally a small settlement in 3500 BC but by 2600 BC it had developed into a major urban centre.

The earliest known writing was etched onto jars before and after firing. Experts believe they may have indicated the contents of the jar or be signs associated with a deity.

According to Dr Richard Meadow of Harvard University, the director of the Harappa Archaeological Research Project, these primitive inscriptions found on pottery may pre-date all other known writing.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/334517.stm


I Will address the other part of your rebuttal in another post.

This is like saying there were no humans before the forties because there werent computers before then!

You ignore all the pre-writen evidence and say "humanity started with cuniform, right at the worlds start"

You are prepared to ignore any and all evidence that in any way contradicts your prejudice and then claim we are blinkered.

You are a hypocrite, I guess at some level you already know that.

[The Grand Nudger]

LOL, Alter.....

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=allegory