THE BIBLE: God’s Word or Man’s?

[Justtristo]

DISCUSSION QUESTIONS:
1. How could Isaiah have known that the earth is circular, considering that the writing of the book of Isaiah was completed in 732 B.C.E. and Christopher Columbus did not make his first journey across the Atlantic until 1492 AD/CE or 2,224 years AFTER Isaiah wrote that the earth is a circle?
http://www.history.com/topics/christopher-columbus

1. The earth is not circular as Isiah says, it is spherical. He could of said it was round and that would of been accurate, he did not. Did he get that flawed analysis from God?
I'd also like to point out that if you look at the horizon you might notice it has a curve to it, you could also look at the sun and the moon while you're at it and go:
"Well maybe the worlds circular... Derp".

ALTER2EGO -to- RAPHIEL DRAKE:
As stated in my opening post, Circles are 2D as well as 3D. But that's not even what Isaiah was referring to. He was giving a description of how earth looks from God's viewpoint. Notice again what he wrote. This time, I will bold the words I want to bring to your attention.

"{22} There is One who is dwelling above the circle of the earth, the dwellers in which are as grasshoppers, the One who is stretching out the heavens just as a fine gaze, who spread them out like a tent in which to dwell, {28} Have you not come to know or have you not heard? Jehovah, the Creator of the extremities of the earth, is a God to time indefinite. He does not tire out or grow weary. There is no searching out of his understanding." (Isaiah 40:22 and 28)

To someone above the earth, depending on the position of the camera, it looks like a plain circle. It's a viewpoint description that Isaiah was giving. It was not until the 20th century, when humans mastered space flight, that they were able to get the viewpoint of the "One who is dwelling above" earth. Astronauts saw a circle, depending on which position they were located.

Below is a photograph of how earth looks from outer space, based upon the angle of the camera. You will notice that it fits the description given by Isaiah. It looks like a circle. I will respond to the other part of your post at another time.

If you have read your Old Testament closely enough, the view the writers had of the universe would be as described in this picture

[Alter2Ego]

Since none of us were around when Jehovah was doing the creating, who is say what source of light he used prior to him creating the sun, moon, and the stars on Creative Day #3? The Bible does not say, but as Creator, he was capable of using other sources of light.

Since this is an asssertion without evidence, it can be dismissed without evidence.

ALTER2EGO -to- STIMBO:
Considering the fact that you and your scientific experts are unable to give answers to questions regarding the origin of life, and since none of you can give a credible explanation for precision in the universe without the intervention of an intelligent Designer/God, you are in no position to dismiss what I said above.

[Minimalist]

The Real World to ALTER2EGO -


Neither can you and your silly assed bible, moron.

There is absolutely no evidence that your invisible sky-daddy did anything at all nor that he even exists.

Before you start making grandiose claims for your stupidity you might start with square #1.

[genkaus]

Considering the fact that you and your scientific experts are unable to give answers to questions regarding the origin of life, and since none of you can give a credible explanation for precision in the universe without the intervention of an intelligent Designer/God, you are in no position to dismiss what I said above.

Actually, experts can offer credible answers for both, origin of life and precision of universe. Why they don't put forward those answers as facts is because, unlike you xtians, they have something called intellectual honesty and do not make statements of fact without evidence.

[simplexity]

All I can say is I don't believe in dogma. Fuck dogma. It is the pride of a group of humanity.

[Alter2Ego]

An ex post facto "prophecy" is called "history."

Only when you get it right.

ALTER2EGO -to- PADRAIC:
Bible critics for years attempted to cast doubt on Bible prophesies by claiming they were written post-event (after the event occurred). The discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls effectively silenced those who had been insisting for years that Bible prophesies were written AFTER their fulfillment. Certain parts of the Dead Sea Scrolls have been dated as far back as the 5th century B.C.E. or 500 years before Christ appeared on earth. Those scrolls contain fragments of all but one of the books of the Old Testament.

The Old Testament we use today is translated from what's called the Masoretic Text. The Masorites were Jewish scholars who between AD 500 and 950 gave the Old Testament the form we use today. The Dead Sea Scrolls have been dated to at least 1,000 years OLDER THAN the Masoretic Text.

Many Old Testament critics fully expected to find a multitude of errors and changes in the Dead Sea Scrolls to bolster their accusations that parts of the Old Testament were written late and made to appear as if they had been written before the fulfilled prophecies. The discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls made these critics look like complete fools, because the Dead Sea Scrolls accurately reflect what is in modern-day Bibles and confirm that the Masoretic Text is accurate. In other words, the contents of the scriptures had not been changed. To make a long story short, the prophesied events occurred AFTER they had been prophesied about in the Bible.

[Minimalist]

Certain parts of the Dead Sea Scrolls have been dated as far back as the 5th century B.C.E. or 500 years before Christ appeared on earth.

Okay - so your next step is to find out what is actually in the DSS instead of making up shit so you can pronounce your fucking godboy real. Believe me, I understand the xtian capacity for self-delusion but you, sir, simply do not know what the fuck you are talking about.

[Thor]

To make a long story short, the prophesied events occurred AFTER they had been prophesied about in the Bible.

Ooooooooooohhh... Prophecies.

So why aren't any of these "prophecies" date and time specific? Where are the "prophecies" telling us of atomic energy, computers, space travel, organ transplants or undiscovered lands? The dopes who wrote the Babble thought the earth was at the center of the universe! Yes, by all means, let's pay attention to their "prophecies".

Yeesh!

[The Grand Nudger]

LOL, fortune telling? Nope. Complete and utter bullshit.

[Annik]

That's akin to saying, "WOW! My horoscope really came true!" They are written in such a way that it would be easy to fulfill them or at least convince a person they have fulfilled them.