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RE: Morality
April 18, 2012 at 1:41 am
(April 18, 2012 at 12:59 am)Drich Wrote: Maybe I should have been clearer. YOU DID NOT READ Mat 23 Before i posted it, Yet you denied it relevance 3 times in your past posts.
This means you are waisting my time. Time that i could use to help someone who has a serious interest.
Yes I did. And I still deny its relevance to the PURPOSE OF THE POST, which, according to you, is to provide BIBLICAL DEFINITIONS AND DISTINCTION BETWEEN MORALITY AND RIGHTEOUSNESS. All Mat 23 does is provide examples of different types of morality (syn. righteousness) - god's, pharsee's, scribes etc.
You can keep giving excuses for running away and I'll keep calling chicken.
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RE: Morality
April 18, 2012 at 4:31 am
(April 18, 2012 at 12:59 am)Drich Wrote: Maybe I should have been clearer. YOU DID NOT READ Mat 23 Before i posted it, Yet you denied it relevance 3 times in your past posts.
This means you are waisting my time. Time that i could use to help someone who has a serious interest.
Like me? I typed out several paragraphs arguing against your concept of righteousness and morality and you still haven't really said anything to it.
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RE: Morality
April 18, 2012 at 11:44 am
(April 18, 2012 at 4:31 am)Creed of Heresy Wrote: (April 18, 2012 at 12:59 am)Drich Wrote: Maybe I should have been clearer. YOU DID NOT READ Mat 23 Before i posted it, Yet you denied it relevance 3 times in your past posts.
This means you are waisting my time. Time that i could use to help someone who has a serious interest.
Like me? I typed out several paragraphs arguing against your concept of righteousness and morality and you still haven't really said anything to it.
Which post number?
Sorry about that sometimes i do get caught up and miss one or two. That is why i dislike trolls. They take time from those who earnestly seek it.
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RE: Morality
April 18, 2012 at 2:29 pm
(This post was last modified: April 18, 2012 at 2:32 pm by Scabby Joe.)
1) He condones and encourages genocide
2) He condones and encourages slavery
3) He condones beating slaves to an extent where they die a few days after the beating
And yes, there are bible quotes that say all of these things, and worse. Also, don't go bitching about context, because all of these 3 are despicable no matter where or why they are said or done.
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You mean that they are objectively immoral?
As far as the topic of conversation being discussed...I maintain that morality is universal. Killing and murdering is, always has been, and always will be immoral, and has always been considered as such which is why all societies all the way back to the caveman eras did not just wantonly murder one another and why the earliest laws always tended to start with "don't kill each other." The RANGE of those moralities has certainly changed, sure...and for the better. There's a reason we call primitive humans "barbarians."
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If killing people is wrong, is killing an ape or a pig wrong? If not, why?
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RE: Morality
April 18, 2012 at 6:10 pm
(This post was last modified: April 18, 2012 at 6:22 pm by Drich.)
(April 18, 2012 at 2:29 pm)Scabby Joe Wrote: 1) He condones and encourages genocide
2) He condones and encourages slavery
3) He condones beating slaves to an extent where they die a few days after the beating
And yes, there are bible quotes that say all of these things, and worse. Also, don't go bitching about context, because all of these 3 are despicable no matter where or why they are said or done. I contend they are not always a bad thing, which proves that general morality is on a variable scale. I am not the only one their are whole societies built on these actions
Quote:You mean that they are objectively immoral?
Have you read the opening post?
Quote:As far as the topic of conversation being discussed...I maintain that morality is universal.
It's not. Go outside of your culture or even with in your culture to a different time and everything changes.
Quote:Killing and murdering is, always has been, and always will be immoral, and has always been considered as such which is why all societies all the way back to the caveman eras did not just wantonly murder one another and why the earliest laws always tended to start with "don't kill each other."
Not true every major society has condoned or even made it moral to kill people outside of a given race or social structure.
Quote:The RANGE of those moralities has certainly changed, sure...and for the better. There's a reason we call primitive humans "barbarians."
Barbarians was a term to simply describe anyone not Greek, for they mocked the sounds of unsophisticated languages "Bar, bar, bar" It's just a racial slang built on prejudice.
Quote:If killing people is wrong, is killing an ape or a pig wrong? If not, why?
Killing people is not wrong in the correct context. Murder is wrong.
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RE: Morality
April 18, 2012 at 6:43 pm
(This post was last modified: April 18, 2012 at 6:43 pm by genkaus.)
(April 18, 2012 at 6:10 pm)Drich Wrote: I contend they are not always a bad thing, which proves that general morality is on a variable scale. I am not the only one their are whole societies built on these actions
Specifically yours?
(April 18, 2012 at 6:10 pm)Drich Wrote: Not true every major society has condoned or even made it moral to kill people outside of a given race or social structure.
Just like your god. I think that means that his morality is no better than a tyrant's.
(April 18, 2012 at 6:10 pm)Drich Wrote: Killing people is not wrong in the correct context. Murder is wrong.
And the context where killing is wrong is where the one being killed has not, by his own actions, given any reason to be killed. Like all the babies your god had murdered. Another context in which killing is wrong is where the actions that prompt the command are not those of the one being killed. Again, countless examples from the bible.
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