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(April 21, 2012 at 11:18 am)Gilligan Wrote: Do the stories below sound believable?
They died from their life style for the most part. God had no need to help it appears.
What, like Thomas Andrews, Managing Director of Harland And Wolff and chief designer of the Titanic, presumably "the man who built" the ship (inasmuch as there was any one man who did) and challenged God? His primary concern was the survival of other passengers. Once the ship's fate was understood, he spent much of the time persuading reluctant passengers to leave the comparative safety of the liner and trust an open boat (it seems strange to our modern eyes, particularly as we have the benefit of hindsight, but Titanic was actually intended to be her own lifeboat). Andrews was given the opportunity to save his own life yet the last anyone saw of him, he remained seated in the ship's First Class Smoking Room, his untouched lifejacket on a table next to him. His body was never recovered.
So yeah, I can totally see why a man like that absolutely needed to die along with over fifteen hundred sinful people, including all those evil children.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
April 22, 2012 at 11:59 am (This post was last modified: April 22, 2012 at 12:04 pm by radorth.)
(April 22, 2012 at 11:00 am)Stimbo Wrote: What, like Thomas Andrews, Managing Director of Harland And Wolff and chief designer of the Titanic, presumably "the man who built" the ship (inasmuch as there was any one man who did) and challenged God? His primary concern was the survival of other passengers. Once the ship's fate was understood, he spent much of the time persuading reluctant passengers to leave the comparative safety of the liner and trust an open boat (it seems strange to our modern eyes, particularly as we have the benefit of hindsight, but Titanic was actually intended to be her own lifeboat). Andrews was given the opportunity to save his own life yet the last anyone saw of him, he remained seated in the ship's First Class Smoking Room, his untouched lifejacket on a table next to him. His body was never recovered.
So yeah, I can totally see why a man like that absolutely needed to die along with over fifteen hundred sinful people, including all those evil children.
Oh please. I clearly said for "for the most part" for this reason. It is absolutely true that for the most part they died of their life style.
This should be called the Atheist Rant Forum, since FOR THE MOST PART, that is what unbelievers do here.
(April 22, 2012 at 5:40 am)Zen Badger Wrote: So what about the children he sent the bears to maul to death?
They mauled them to death ?
Really? All of them? Some of them? None of them?
Are you so desperate to make yor case that you completely misquote the text?
April 22, 2012 at 12:10 pm (This post was last modified: April 22, 2012 at 12:13 pm by Cyberman.)
(April 22, 2012 at 11:30 am)Minimalist Wrote:
Quote:including all those evil children.
I'll bet they mocked fucking god, too!
Indeed. You really have to watch those kids - when they're not getting their heads filled with atheistic evilution progaganda, they're busily dressing provocatively and tempting their priests (yes, that excuse has actually been used).
I'm also still chuckling over the idea that John Lennon's lifestyle led inevitably to a bullet-ridden death by a psychotic fan. It is true that he remarked how the Beatles were more popular than Jesus. Yet the parrots will happily squawk out the line as though it proves their delusion but are too scared, or simply never bother, to actually find out for themselves the real facts. Let's ask the man himself:
Quote:John: "If I had said television is more popular than Jesus, I might have got away with it, but I just happened to be talking to a friend and I used the words "Beatles" as a remote thing, not as what I think - as Beatles, as those other Beatles like other people see us. I just said "they" are having more influence on kids and things than anything else, including Jesus. But I said it in that way which is the wrong way."
Reporter: "Some teenagers have repeated your statements - "I like the Beatles more than Jesus Christ." What do you think about that?"
John: "Well, originally I pointed out that fact in reference to England. That we meant more to kids than Jesus did, or religion at that time. I wasn't knocking it or putting it down. I was just saying it as a fact and it's true more for England than here. I'm not saying that we're better or greater, or comparing us with Jesus Christ as a person or God as a thing or whatever it is. I just said what I said and it was wrong. Or it was taken wrong. And now it's all this."
Reporter: "But are you prepared to apologise?"
John (thinking that he had just apologized, because he did): "I wasn't saying whatever they're saying I was saying. I'm sorry I said it really. I never meant it to be a lousy anti-religious thing. I apologise if that will make you happy. I still don't know quite what I've done. I've tried to tell you what I did do but if you want me to apologise, if that will make you happy, then OK, I'm sorry."
(April 22, 2012 at 11:59 am)radorth Wrote:
(April 22, 2012 at 11:00 am)Stimbo Wrote: What, like Thomas Andrews, Managing Director of Harland And Wolff and chief designer of the Titanic, presumably "the man who built" the ship (inasmuch as there was any one man who did) and challenged God? His primary concern was the survival of other passengers. Once the ship's fate was understood, he spent much of the time persuading reluctant passengers to leave the comparative safety of the liner and trust an open boat (it seems strange to our modern eyes, particularly as we have the benefit of hindsight, but Titanic was actually intended to be her own lifeboat). Andrews was given the opportunity to save his own life yet the last anyone saw of him, he remained seated in the ship's First Class Smoking Room, his untouched lifejacket on a table next to him. His body was never recovered.
So yeah, I can totally see why a man like that absolutely needed to die along with over fifteen hundred sinful people, including all those evil children.
Oh please. I clearly said for "for the most part" for this reason. It is absolutely true that for the most part they died of their life style.
This should be called the Atheist Rant Forum, since FOR THE MOST PART, that is what unbelievers do here.
Then perhaps you oughtn't generalise, or perhaps FOR THE MOST PART, xtians are just idiotic parrots who don't bother to check their facts.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
(April 21, 2012 at 5:57 pm)Paul the Human Wrote: You missed the point of the OP. God only kills you for mocking him if you're famous.
This one wasn't famous:
"When I was a teenage boy, our SBC church was holding a revival. One of the girls who was kind of a loose party girl in town promised that she would come... she skipped all of the services, but finally agreed that she would come on the final night of the revival. On the way to the revival she and another girl, who was the older sister to a classmate of mine, were involved in an automobile accident. My classmate's sister was in a coma for a period of time, the other girl died instantly. What are the odds that this girl would die on her way to a revival that she had been skipping all week? Would she had died that night if she would have been out partying instead? Who can say for sure...
There is no guarantee that she would have gotten saved the night she died, but it was a tragic irony. "
So, are you saying god killed her for not going to a church revival? I have done much worse than that as far as religion goes, yet I am still here.
Also, are you entirely sure that you want to be telling people that your god killed someone over some stupid shit like that?
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
(April 22, 2012 at 1:26 pm)Faith No More Wrote: So, are you saying god killed her for not going to a church revival? I have done much worse than that as far as religion goes, yet I am still here.
Also, are you entirely sure that you want to be telling people that your god killed someone over some stupid shit like that?
Just saying that putting off salvation is dangerous.
Another one that wasn't famous:
A Glass of the Wrath of God - By Martin Wells Knapp in 1890
"In one of the quiet towns of the West, years ago, there lived an able and faithful minister of the Gospel. There was in his parish at a certain time an unusual interest in religion, and a sermon was preached on the "Wrath of God." It was a very faithful discourse, and deeply affected the congregation.
After the sermon an inquiry meeting was held, and many remained. Among the number were two wicked young men, who, from motives of curiosity or mischief, placed themselves among the inquirers. They tried to disturb the meeting and distract the attention of those who were really serious. After the meeting they went to the hotel, and, walking up to the bar, called for something to drink. They were asked what they would have. One of them replied, "Give me a glass of the wrath of God." The bartender turned him out something in the usual way, and he drank it and instantly fell dead upon the floor! A powerful impression was made upon the young men of that place, and the event is remembered there yet with fear and dread."
April 22, 2012 at 1:33 pm (This post was last modified: April 22, 2012 at 1:35 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Wait, wait, the bear just mauled them a little bit? It left them alive? Maybe just chewed on their faces and then got bored? Jesus fucking christ! Way to make god (and bears) sound like even bigger dicks than they did before you added your "insights".
I don't think I'm alone in this when I say that I am glad that these are fairy tales. That there is no such entity compelling bears to gnaw on people and then leave them to bleed out somewhere in the sticks fills me with an immense amount of relief....
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(April 22, 2012 at 1:23 pm)Gilligan Wrote: There is no guarantee that she would have gotten saved the night she died, but it was a tragic irony. "
People die all the time in all kinds of ways. Car accidents are extremely common. The likely hood that you will end up in some kind of accident on the road is quite high. Millions of cars driving up to 30 to 40 mph and 60 to 80 mph on motor ways, with cars driving in the same direction and in the opposite direction and the fact that there are countless dangerous drivers out there driving day after day putting others at risk.
Whether she went to a religious gathering or not, it's not suspicious in any way.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan
Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.
Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.
You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
