My Complaint With Atheism/Atheists

[Anomalocaris]

In DeeTee's world idiocy asserted with enough vehemence becomes the truth. So he is here to practice being comically vehement, so he could feel the idiot joy of being the self-style bearer of the truth.

[The Grand Nudger]

"Evolution" doesn't give a shit about anything either way Dee. "Morality", however, confers a survival advantage for social species. Of which we are only a single representative. You and I get our "morality" from the same place. I'm just not interested in telling tall tales about it.

On the other hand, if we were better served by stabbing everything that moved (including each other) how much would you like to bet that stabbing things preemptively would be what we considered a "lofty moral ideal"? Don't I always hear how beneficial the morality described in the bible would be for us (if we all just swallowed the koolaid)? If it wasn't, would you still think it was a good idea?

[DeeTee]

Another problem/complaint Ihave with atheism is that when push comes to shove, when they get the oppostunity to prove their way of life is better than the christian one--they can't do it.

They complain and wine about christians, their supposed bigotry, unfairness etc. yet when they are in the position to do such things they can't.

Good news for all, I am not going to be here much longer as this forum is like all the rest. There is no fairness, no honesty, no justice and if you do not think like an atheist then there is something wrong with you.

Atheists think that critical thinking is agreeing with them and if you don't then they abuse the contrary thinker. Atheist accuse christians of not thinking for themselves yet if you disagree with an atheist then you are wrong. So freethinking is not found in atheism because they cannot accept those who disagree with them.

Even aa atheist scholar at an American university is the exact same way. He claims he wants discussion on the same sex issue but he rarely addresse any contrary point to his position and mocks those who disagree with him or are using their own minds to vote their way (against his position).

Atheists are really bullies in reality and their abusive language, among other acts, is evidence for this fact. If atheists really were open-minded, were really free thinkers then they would not have a problem with those who believe for the religious is thinking freely and have chosen freely.

People who disagree with the homosexual lifestyle are called 'homophobes'. They present no evidence for such a label but they freely throw such accusations out and to heck with those who dare disagree.

No Christians are not homophobes we just know what happens to a nation or civilization when homosexuality is accepted and legitimized. No atheist has presented one ancient mss. that shows that homosexuality is good for a country and that the practice is beneficial to all.

It isn't and christians can point to an example, an ancient one, that provides evidence for the real result of embracing homosexuality. Just because one says it didn't take place doesn't mean and isn't evidence that it did not. We can point to the physical evidence that it did today so denial is just wishful thinking.

Anyways, I have yet to see the atheist be better than the believers they complain about.

[Ace Otana]

[Tobie]

Once again, there is no fucking atheist way of life.

Good news for all, I am not going to be here much longer as this forum is like all the rest. There is no fairness, no honesty, no justice and if you do not think like an atheist then there is something wrong with you.

We're honest here. Most can accept when they're wrong as well.

Atheists are really bullies in reality and their abusive language, among other acts, is evidence for this fact. If atheists really were open-minded, were really free thinkers then they would not have a problem with those who believe for the religious is thinking freely and have chosen freely.

If we weren't open minded, we wouldn't be atheists. Most on this forum were raised to be christians, and thinking for themselves, became atheist.

Anyways, I have yet to see the atheist be better than the believers they complain about.

I ( and many here ) do not complain about believers in general - most religious people I have met are accepting and open minded. However, it is when beliefs lead to persecution and bigotry that most of us complain.

[ElDinero]

Right, aside from the fact that you're now just changing the subject completely, it may not be the case that acceptance of homosexuality exactly 'benefits' everyone, but I would think it benefits the homosexuals quite a bit, wouldn't you? Can you point to an example of a place where the acceptance of it has had a negative effect?

Also, what's so special about having 'ancient' examples of things? Don't you think contemporary examples would be more relevant? We don't live in the Bronze Age, so examples of things from the Bronze Age are less impressive to me than are examples of things from the world we currently live in. And in this world, secularism has a proven link with lower crime rates, better health and overall greater happiness of citizens. A cursory glance at some data reveals this, go look it up.

[DeeTee]

Once again, there is no fucking atheist way of life

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Yes it is. You do not believe, that is how you conduct your life it is a way of life.

[Tobie]

Once again, there is no fucking atheist way of life

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Yes it is. You do not believe, that is how you conduct your life it is a way of life.

It is a (dis)belief statement, not a way of life. I have the same way of life as my christian friends. It can cause a way of life if people want to persecute you for your atheism, but atheism is not a way of life in itself.

[Ace Otana]

Atheism is a way of life? I thought I was just living my life. Funny how religious nuts know more about my life than I do.....

[DeeTee]

Right, aside from the fact that you're now just changing the subject completely, it may not be the case that acceptance of homosexuality exactly 'benefits' everyone, 1. but I would think it benefits the homosexuals quite a bit, wouldn't you? 2. Can you point to an example of a place where the acceptance of it has had a negative effect?

3. Also, what's so special about having 'ancient' examples of things? Don't you think contemporary examples would be more relevant? 4. We don't live in the Bronze Age, so examples of things from the Bronze Age are less impressive to me than are examples of things from the world we currently live in. 5. And in this world, secularism has a proven link with lower crime rates, better health and overall greater happiness of citizens. A cursory glance at some data reveals this, go look it up.

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#1. Their concerns can be dealt with in a different manner than usurping the democratic process and the preference of the majority. They are looking at hospital visits, inheritance etc. all these matters can be fixed without them marrying each other.

#2. Yes--perversion is never a positive and we can say that there is no reproduction thus society loses members and cannot sustain itself.

#3. Having a historical foundation provides credibility, evidence that atheists seek and gives an example of how such an issue is viewed and treated.

#4. There is no such thing as 'the Bronze Age' In today's supposed nuclear age we still have civilizations and societies living in the stone age. The 3 age system is a myth.

#5. Not really. If that were so North Korea would not be torturing its citizens, starving them and China would not be killing so many people etc. Secularism doe snot contribute to lower crime rates as those who claim to be christian yet practice evil things are not really christian and skew the findings.