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RE: Good reading for Christian Homophobes
May 13, 2012 at 4:08 am
Why Is homosexuality still being debated? Its the 21st fucking century. The religious should get the fuck over it and onto more important issues like Global warming, world peace, and the vanishing water supply. Who give a crap what 2 guys/girls or 1guy and one girl get up to in bed, its none of your fucking business. I don't interfere with your sex life then why should you, and if God is watching he is a fucking pervert. How would you like it if i told you that any sex is a sin that is punishable by death because my 3000 year holy book says so. Move on, get a life, there more important stuff to be dealing with. Mini rant over.
(BTW before some smart ass comes out with it, I know there would be nobody here if there was a book saying all sex is a sin, i was using it as an example)
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RE: Good reading for Christian Homophobes
May 13, 2012 at 4:50 am
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(May 10, 2012 at 12:53 pm)Shell B Wrote: Oh, they'll deny it, whether it is true or not.
or say it was a papist catholic pagan thing which was thankfully purged during the reformation, thus never a part of true Christianity (whatever that means) in the first place.
(May 10, 2012 at 3:13 pm)Drich Wrote: (May 10, 2012 at 2:51 pm)Shell B Wrote: You have all yet to produce chapter and verse that states homosexuality is a sin. You're the ones making the claim. Produce the evidence. Oh, I forgot, only certain translations and interpretations say homosexuality is a sin, typically those followed by people who already hate homosexuality.
All sex outside the confines of the covenant of marriage is a sin.(Acts 15:20; 1 Corinthians 5:1; 6:13, 18; 10:8; 2 Corinthians 12:21; Galatians 5:19; Ephesians 5:3; Colossians 3:5; 1 Thessalonians 4:3; Jude 7). The Bible promotes complete abstinence before marriage. Sex between a husband and his wife is the only form of sexual relations of which God approves (Hebrews 13:4).
These are from the same scriptures which advocate that god approves of those who castrate themselves for his kingdom (Matthew 19:12).
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RE: Good reading for Christian Homophobes
May 13, 2012 at 5:38 am
(May 10, 2012 at 2:51 pm)Shell B Wrote: You have all yet to produce chapter and verse that states homosexuality is a sin. You're the ones making the claim. Produce the evidence. Oh, I forgot, only certain translations and interpretations say homosexuality is a sin, typically those followed by people who already hate homosexuality.
"27 And, in like manner, the men also, leaving the natural use of the women, have burned in their lusts one towards another, men with men working that which is filthy, and receiving in themselves the recompense which was due to their error.
28 And as they liked not to have God in their knowledge, God delivered them up to a reprobate sense, to do those things which are not convenient;"
Romans 1 27-28, you need to be pretty inventive with your interpretation of this to say it doesn't condemn homosexuality. This is the New Testament, so any comparisons with the Old Testament, trying to say we no longer follow laws in the Old Testament is pathetic.
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RE: Good reading for Christian Homophobes
May 13, 2012 at 6:07 am
(May 13, 2012 at 5:38 am)StatCrux Wrote: (May 10, 2012 at 2:51 pm)Shell B Wrote: You have all yet to produce chapter and verse that states homosexuality is a sin. You're the ones making the claim. Produce the evidence. Oh, I forgot, only certain translations and interpretations say homosexuality is a sin, typically those followed by people who already hate homosexuality.
"27 And, in like manner, the men also, leaving the natural use of the women, have burned in their lusts one towards another, men with men working that which is filthy, and receiving in themselves the recompense which was due to their error.
28 And as they liked not to have God in their knowledge, God delivered them up to a reprobate sense, to do those things which are not convenient;"
Romans 1 27-28, you need to be pretty inventive with your interpretation of this to say it doesn't condemn homosexuality. This is the New Testament, so any comparisons with the Old Testament, trying to say we no longer follow laws in the Old Testament is pathetic.
How do you feel about eating shellfish or wearing more then one type of cloth, or eating raw meat, or tounching a dead animal? there all sins that are just as bad a being gay
here is a list of Forgotten Abominations:
Deuteronomy.22:5.
The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment:for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.
Cross dressing is out!
Don't matter if its your husbands fave jumper or if your off to fancy dress party,it aint allowed.As is a woman wearing jeans.Don't matter if its freezing and a icy wind is whipping up your dress,you can't change into jeans to keep warm.You suffer young lady!
Proverbs 12:22.
Lying lips are abomination to the LORD:but they that deal truly are his delight.
Better a lie that heals than a truth that wounds!
Not so to God.If you child dies in agony,you gotta know about it.None of that,'Your child was in no pain.' Instead,'Your child was in agony...for hours!'
Proverbs.17:15.
He that justifieth the wicked,and he that condemneth the just,even they both are abomination to the LORD.
I would agree with this,if God could only make up his/her mind on what is actually 'wicked.'
In Leviticus 11,there's a list of food you are not allowed to eat!
4 Nevertheless these shall ye not eat of them that chew the cud, or of them that divide the hoof: as the camel, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.6 And the hare, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.
7 And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you.
9 These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.
10 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:
11 They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination.
12 Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.
20 All fowls that creep, going upon all four, shall be an abomination unto you.
21 Yet these may ye eat of every flying creeping thing that goeth upon all four, which have legs above their feet, to leap withal upon the earth;
27 And whatsoever goeth upon his paws, among all manner of beasts that go on all four, those are unclean unto you: whoso toucheth their carcase shall be unclean until the even.
28 And he that beareth the carcase of them shall wash his clothes, and be unclean until the even: they are unclean unto you.
29 These also shall be unclean unto you among the creeping things that creep upon the earth; the weasel, and the mouse, and the tortoise after his kind,
30 And the ferret, and the chameleon, and the lizard, and the snail, and the mole.
31 These are unclean to you among all that creep: whosoever doth touch them, when they be dead, shall be unclean until the even.
32 And upon whatsoever any of them, when they are dead, doth fall, it shall be unclean; whether it be any vessel of wood, or raiment, or skin, or sack, whatsoever vessel it be, wherein any work is done, it must be put into water, and it shall be unclean until the even; so it shall be cleansed.
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Know more about the world than I knew yesterday and lessen the suffering of others. You'd be surprised how far that gets you' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
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RE: Good reading for Christian Homophobes
May 13, 2012 at 6:11 am
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(May 13, 2012 at 6:07 am)Gooders1002 Wrote: [quote='StatCrux' pid='285227' dateline='1336901938']
"27 And, in like manner, the men also, leaving the natural use of the women, have burned in their lusts one towards another, men with men working that which is filthy, and receiving in themselves the recompense which was due to their error.
28 And as they liked not to have God in their knowledge, God delivered them up to a reprobate sense, to do those things which are not convenient;"
Romans 1 27-28, you need to be pretty inventive with your interpretation of this to say it doesn't condemn homosexuality. This is the New Testament, so any comparisons with the Old Testament, trying to say we no longer follow laws in the Old Testament is pathetic.
How do you feel about eating shellfish or wearing more then one type of cloth, or eating raw meat, or tounching a dead animal? there all sins that are just as bad a being gay
here is a list of Forgotten Abominations:
Deuteronomy.22:5.
The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment:for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.
Cross dressing is out!
Don't matter if its your husbands fave jumper or if your off to fancy dress party,it aint allowed.As is a woman wearing jeans.Don't matter if its freezing and a icy wind is whipping up your dress,you can't change into jeans to keep warm.You suffer young lady!
Proverbs 12:22.
Lying lips are abomination to the LORD:but they that deal truly are his delight.
Better a lie that heals than a truth that wounds!
Not so to God.If you child dies in agony,you gotta know about it.None of that,'Your child was in no pain.' Instead,'Your child was in agony...for hours!'
Proverbs.17:15.
He that justifieth the wicked,and he that condemneth the just,even they both are abomination to the LORD.
I would agree with this,if God could only make up his/her mind on what is actually 'wicked.'
In Leviticus 11,there's a list of food you are not allowed to eat!
4 Nevertheless these shall ye not eat of them that chew the cud, or of them that divide the hoof: as the camel, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.6 And the hare, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.
7 And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you.
9 These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.
10 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:
11 They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination.
12 Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.
20 All fowls that creep, going upon all four, shall be an abomination unto you.
21 Yet these may ye eat of every flying creeping thing that goeth upon all four, which have legs above their feet, to leap withal upon the earth;
27 And whatsoever goeth upon his paws, among all manner of beasts that go on all four, those are unclean unto you: whoso toucheth their carcase shall be unclean until the even.
28 And he that beareth the carcase of them shall wash his clothes, and be unclean until the even: they are unclean unto you.
29 These also shall be unclean unto you among the creeping things that creep upon the earth; the weasel, and the mouse, and the tortoise after his kind,
30 And the ferret, and the chameleon, and the lizard, and the snail, and the mole.
31 These are unclean to you among all that creep: whosoever doth touch them, when they be dead, shall be unclean until the even.
32 And upon whatsoever any of them, when they are dead, doth fall, it shall be unclean; whether it be any vessel of wood, or raiment, or skin, or sack, whatsoever vessel it be, wherein any work is done, it must be put into water, and it shall be unclean until the even; so it shall be cleansed.
i guess you didn't read what I said about pathetic attempts to compare old testament laws with the new testament... Its quite amusing to read, watching you do exactly what I said you would attempt to do! So predictable....
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RE: Good reading for Christian Homophobes
May 13, 2012 at 6:36 am
at least I don't have my hand shoved up my own ass.
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RE: Good reading for Christian Homophobes
May 13, 2012 at 6:45 am
(May 13, 2012 at 6:36 am)Gooders1002 Wrote: at least I don't have my hand shoved up my own ass.
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RE: Good reading for Christian Homophobes
May 13, 2012 at 6:52 am
(May 12, 2012 at 7:36 pm)Drich Wrote: (May 12, 2012 at 6:51 pm)Ryft Wrote: Wait, wait, wait. If the Bible does not say, then how do you know God said so?
The bible defines the situation, so we know God said so.
Outside of that, I don't know why it is a sin. because no reason other than "God said so" is given.
The bible was written by fallible men, not god.
So you don't know that god said so.
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RE: Good reading for Christian Homophobes
May 13, 2012 at 6:57 am
(May 13, 2012 at 6:45 am)StatCrux Wrote: (May 13, 2012 at 6:36 am)Gooders1002 Wrote: at least I don't have my hand shoved up my own ass.
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I hate you, I really do, for insulting me and making me look like an idiot, which I am not, I am just tired.
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Know more about the world than I knew yesterday and lessen the suffering of others. You'd be surprised how far that gets you' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
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RE: Good reading for Christian Homophobes
May 13, 2012 at 8:24 am
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Your verses deal with prostitution Stat. "That which is filthy" would be whoring. Try again.
I don't know how many times I'm going to have to say this, scripture is silent. You are obviously free to interpret whatever passage you wish any way you wish to reinforce your own personal bigotry. There are multiple possible reasons that scripture is silent on this issue, some no more flattering than your interpretations, but none having anything to do with a god.
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