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Is Hellfire A Bible Teaching?
#71
RE: Is Hellfire A Bible Teaching?
(May 24, 2012 at 9:53 am)Insanity x Wrote: @Aleter2Ego if I beg would you stop using all these colors?

No, let her use those colors. A psychiatrist needs to see all of them.
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#72
RE: Is Hellfire A Bible Teaching?
I like the colors. There's enough black and white in the world, so why not bring out some of the other colors of the spectrum? I'm also partially color blind, by the way. lol
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#73
RE: Is Hellfire A Bible Teaching?
(May 24, 2012 at 10:10 am)Alter2Ego Wrote: Why are you quoting these verses? They are all presenting different circumstances in which fire is used.[/color]
.I merely used 'fire' in various contexts as an example of how to interpret biblical symbolism accurately by comparing multiple references. When you shift back and forth between literal interpretations and symbolic ones without any specific methodology then your arguements lose their force. For example, in your OP you interpret the word fire inconsistenty.

(May 24, 2012 at 10:10 am)Alter2Ego Wrote: b]NOTE #1:[/b] The Bible uses the word "fire" symbolically to indicate cleansing OR permanent death OR permanent destruction. In the few times when the Bible used the word "fire" literally, it was with reference to events such as the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah--at which point, the individuals did not suffer eternal torment, they died immediately.

NOTE #3: In the Bible, the expression "the lake of fire" and the word "Gehenna" are figurative or symbolic language that refer to permanent death or permanent destruction.

As I showed in my earlier post fire relates to love or the lack thereof. Likewise, water relates to truth, or the lack thereof, in some way, which I could also demonstrate with multiple references. The evil men of Sodom burned with lust, an infernal love. The ‘lake of fire’ describes the fate of those who immerse themselves in lies (lack of truth) in which they are tortmented by their own hate (lack of love).
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#74
RE: Is Hellfire A Bible Teaching?
(May 24, 2012 at 12:34 pm)ChadWooters Wrote:
(May 24, 2012 at 10:10 am)Alter2Ego Wrote: Why are you quoting these verses? They are all presenting different circumstances in which fire is used.
I merely used 'fire' in various contexts as an example of how to interpret biblical symbolism accurately by comparing multiple references. When you shift back and forth between literal interpretations and symbolic ones without any specific methodology then your arguements lose their force. For example, in your OP you interpret the word fire inconsistenty.

(May 24, 2012 at 10:10 am)Alter2Ego Wrote: NOTE #1: The Bible uses the word "fire" symbolically to indicate cleansing OR permanent death OR permanent destruction. In the few times when the Bible used the word "fire" literally, it was with reference to events such as the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah--at which point, the individuals did not suffer eternal torment, they died immediately.

NOTE #3: In the Bible, the expression "the lake of fire" and the word "Gehenna" are figurative or symbolic language that refer to permanent death or permanent destruction.

As I showed in my earlier post fire relates to love or the lack thereof. Likewise, water relates to truth, or the lack thereof, in some way, which I could also demonstrate with multiple references. The evil men of Sodom burned with lust, an infernal love. The ‘lake of fire’ describes the fate of those who immerse themselves in lies (lack of truth) in which they are tortmented by their own hate (lack of love).
ALTER2EGO -to- CHADWOOTERS:
Okay, I see what you're saying. Thanks for pointing that out.

If you noticed, even in the instances where you presented scriptures using the word "fire," it had to do with purity or holiness--which is closely related to cleansing or cleanliness. In all of those instances that you presented, there was no connection with literal hellfire torment.
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#75
RE: Is Hellfire A Bible Teaching?
(May 24, 2012 at 1:17 pm)Alter2Ego Wrote: If you noticed, even in the instances where you presented scriptures using the word "fire," it had to do with purity or holiness--which is closely related to cleansing or cleanliness.
That connection stems from the fact that our Lord's love drives out the evil in our hearts.

(May 24, 2012 at 1:17 pm)Alter2Ego Wrote: In all of those instances that you presented, there was no connection with literal hellfire torment.
Correct. That was not my intention. Nevertheless, I do believe in heaven, hell and the afterlife from writings outside the traditional canon in addition to the references provided by Drich.

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#76
RE: Is Hellfire A Bible Teaching?
(May 24, 2012 at 12:02 am)padraic Wrote:
(May 23, 2012 at 6:40 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Which is where?


Book Of Kings? In which case it ain't history,it's mythology. Tiger



The "Annals of the Kings of Judah" is like the tachyon in physics or the "Q" gospel in NT studies.

No one has ever seen or measured any of the 3 but they theorize that they exist(ed). In this case, the word "theory" is given its less scientific definition of "wild-assed guess."

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#77
RE: Is Hellfire A Bible Teaching?
Jews will argue that there is no hell and the Hebrew words simply meant "trash pile". Which later translated to Hades, meaning the dump outside the city.

But regardless, it still doesn't make any god real.
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#78
RE: Is Hellfire A Bible Teaching?
(May 24, 2012 at 2:39 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Jews will argue that there is no hell and the Hebrew words simply meant "trash pile". Which later translated to Hades, meaning the dump outside the city.
Not the case with Rabbinical Judaism, where Gehenna is considered a Purgatory-like place.

Like Christianity, Judaism also suffers from 'theological schizophrenia' in that their theists also can't agree on simple concepts.
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#79
RE: Is Hellfire A Bible Teaching?
(May 24, 2012 at 9:53 am)Insanity x Wrote: @Aleter2Ego if I beg would you stop using all these colors?
Add me to your "Ignore" list.

Problem solved.

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#80
RE: Is Hellfire A Bible Teaching?
You know, Alter, making your font bigger makes easier for us to see your bs even better. Just saying.. Big Grin
When I was young, there was a god with infinite power protecting me. Is there anyone else who felt that way? And was sure about it? but the first time I fell in love, I was thrown down - or maybe I broke free - and I bade farewell to God and became human. Now I don't have God's protection, and I walk on the ground without wings, but I don't regret this hardship. I want to live as a person. -Arina Tanemura

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