The trinity

[Annik]

So, there is one God that is made up of three gods?

[Cyberman]

Interesting take on monotheism, really. Bit like all those James Bonds all supposed to be the same character. At least in Doctor Who there's an in-universe explanation for that sort of thing.

[Drich]

So, there is one God that is made up of three gods?

Asked and answered. Taken from post 4:
God= government or Collective of Governing deity

In that governing body contains 3 individual deity, with three separate names/roles.

1 God, three persons of God.

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Interesting take on monotheism, really. Bit like all those James Bonds all supposed to be the same character. At least in Doctor Who there's an in-universe explanation for that sort of thing.

We are given certain undeniable biblical facts of which all must be reconciled. To my knowledge this is the only explanation that does just that.

Plus the simplicity of what was previously thought to be impossibly complex, points to the nature of God.

[Erinome]

So, three gods, all with the title of "God". Right.

[Epimethean]

Hecate Triformis is a better threesome.

[Drich]

So, three gods, all with the title of "God". Right.

No, Deity in this argument is not the same as a God. A deity here is a personage with the title of God.

Again there is only one God or One Governing body, that has three members.

That is like the United states only has one government or one governing body, but with in that government there are three branches. The branches are apart of the one government but are not a complete government in of themselves. They represent apart of a greater whole.

To say one of the deity of God is the or a complete God in of Himself is not consistent with the biblical description of God.

[Epimethean]

Rosie Grier must have been a demigod, then.

[Minimalist]

How so?

Within the broad contours of proto-orthodoxy, then, one can see development and variety. As time progressed, theologians became more entranced with the mystery of the Trinity and developed a more highly refined vocabulary for dealing with it. But that was long after the major issues had been resolved, of whether Christ was man but not God (Ebionites; Theodotians), God but not man (Marcionites, some Gnostics), or two beings, one man and one God (most Gnostics). The proto-orthodox opted for none of the above. Christ was God and man, yet he was one being, not two.

Once that was acknowledged, the details still had to be worked out. And they were worked out for centuries. If it were easy, it would not be a mystery. Theologians began to be obsessed with the question of how and in what way Christ could be both human and divine, completely both. Did he have a human soul but a divine spirit? Did he have a divine soul instead of a human soul? Was his body really like everyone else’s body? How could God have a body? Was he subordinate to the Father, as in Origen? If he was not subordinate to the Father, why was he the one sent, rather than the other way around? And so on, almost ad infinitum.

In this earlier period, however, the debates were both more basic and more fundamental. As a result, the alternatives within the proto-orthodox tradition—as opposed to the alternatives that separated the proto-orthodox from everyone else—were less clear and less obvious. All that was to change when the protoorthodox found themselves to be the last ones standing and were forced then to move forward into the orthodox forms of Christianity of the fourth and fifth centuries.


--Bart Ehrman, Lost Christianities pgs 156-157

[YahwehIsTheWay]

I have no use for any of these apologetic arguments for matters of faith. Faith has nothing to do with reason. Faith is belief without reason and against all reason. Why try to construct reasons to believe in what you supposedly already believe without reason? It's only an indication of how weak you're faith is.

The Bible says it, I believe it, that settles it. No need for any further arguments. Anyone who doesn't share my beliefs can go to Hell. Literally.

When Jesus says "not my will but thy will be done", that's when he's a separate person from his father. When Jesus says "I and my father are one", that's when he's not a separate being from his father. A contradiction? An example how the tale got better with the telling? No, no, no. Just an example of how omnipotent Yahweh is. He can be Jesus and not Jesus at the same time, just like he can create round squares.

Jesus was born before 4 BC and after 6 AD at the same time. His last words were three different things and they were all his actual last words. He flew up into Heaven the same day and hung around for 40 days. Contradictions only show how omnipotent Yahweh is and how strong my faith is that I can believe them all at the same time.

Praise!

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

Oh dear,a kudo from Drip.

I do hope you have not concluded that because I loathe the Catholic church that I somehow agree with you at any important level.

In terms of stupid remarks which have passed into our culture "my enemy's enemy is my friend" is right up there with " logic dictates" (Spock) and "Once you remove the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth " (Sherlock Holmes)