Only 26% of Irish Catholics believe in transubstantiation

[Jackalope]

Some of those churches have wonderful acoustics. A concert hall, auditorium for plays/speakers/seminars would be great. Imagine Richard Dawkins speaking in one of these converted churches without (much) need for a microphone. Or just a place for a great band to play.

I bet Slayer fans would pay good money to seem them play in a church.

[Faith No More]

The coolest club I've ever been to is a converted church in Detroit.

[znk666]

So the rest isn't really Catholic as they claim,huh?

[Ziploc Surprise]

Some of those churches have wonderful acoustics. A concert hall, auditorium for plays/speakers/seminars would be great. Imagine Richard Dawkins speaking in one of these converted churches without (much) need for a microphone. Or just a place for a great band to play.

I bet Slayer fans would pay good money to seem them play in a church.

Love it!

@ Cthulhu Dreaming: What's the name of that club? It looks like it would be a great place for goths.

[Godscreated]

New poll says Only 26% of Irish Catholics believe in transubstantiation.

“If they don’t believe in transubstantiation then they are not Roman Catholics,” Prof Dawkins said. “If they are honest they should say they are no longer Roman Catholics.”

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/brea...A.facebook

No True Scotsman.

[Tobie]

New poll says Only 26% of Irish Catholics believe in transubstantiation.

“If they don’t believe in transubstantiation then they are not Roman Catholics,” Prof Dawkins said. “If they are honest they should say they are no longer Roman Catholics.”

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/brea...A.facebook

No True Scotsman.

Except that transubstantiation is a core tenet of catholicism, so it isn't.

[Minimalist]

Don't confuse G-C with facts. He doesn't think catholics are xtians anyway.

[Tobie]

Don't confuse G-C with facts. He doesn't think catholics are xtians anyway.

Might make his brain explode again?

[Rev. Rye]

There's hope for Ireland yet.

Now we can finally start finding actual uses for church buildings, and hopefully later mosques and synagogues.

I propose shelters and skill centres for the homeless.

Maybe some people will start converting churches into music venues. Boy, it'll be so fine and laid-back and mellow and profitable.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgc-_pzzz00

And just for the record, here is an excerpt from a list of Catholic Dogmas, with the excerpts regarding Transsubstantiation:

The Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist
The Fact of the Real Presence of Christ
The Body and Blood of Jesus Christ are truly, really and substantially present in the Eucharist. (De fide.)

The Effecting of Christ's Real Presence, or the Transubstantiation
Christ becomes present in the Sacrament of the Altar by the transformation of the whole substance of the bread into His Body and the whole substance of the wine into His Blood. (De fide.)
The Accidents of bread and wine continue after the change of the substance. (De fide.)
The Sacramental Accidents retain their physical reality after the change of the substance. (Sent. certa.)
The Sacramental Accidents continue without a subject in which to inhere. (Sent. certa.)

Nature and Manner of the Real Presence of Christ
The Body and the Blood of Christ together with His Soul and His Divinity and therefore the Whole Christ are truly present in the Eucharist (De fide.)
The Whole Christ is present under each of the two Species. (De fide.)
When either consecrated species is divided the Whole Christ is present in each part of the species. (De fide.)
After the Consecration has been completed the Body and Blood are permanently present in the Eucharist. (De fide.)
The Worship of Adoration (latria) must be given to Christ present in the Eucharist. (De fide.)

The Blessed Eucharist and Human Reason
The Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist is a mystery of Faith. (Sent. certa.)

The ones marked "De Fide" are considered an essential part of Catholic faith. Denial of them is heresy.

Sent. Certa ones are merely deduced from revelation.

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

Churches also make good gig venues.

Oh indeed, many small country churches have been turned into rather pleasant private homes. Here ,my favourite is St Paul's, a stately Anglican pile which has become a louche nightclub.


http://www.residentadvisor.net/club-detail.aspx?id=1023



PS here, "Heaven" is the of the most notorious club in the city.

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Except that transubstantiation is a core tenet of Catholicism, so it isn't.

. Transubstantiation was the theological base used by Luther to in the Reformation. However, it has always be arguable what percentage of Catholics have grasped or believed the concept.


Transubstantiation is the core of the mass, the most important RITUAL in Catholicism.


THE test of Catholicism is the Nicene Creed. Dawkins was using the no true Scotsman fallacy.




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The Nicene Creed

I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds; God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God; begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father, by whom all things were made.

Who, for us men and for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the virgin Mary, and was made man; and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate; He suffered and was buried; and the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures; and ascended into heaven, and sits on the right hand of the Father; and He shall come again, with glory, to judge the quick and the dead; whose kingdom shall have no end.

And I believe in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of Life; who proceeds from the Father and the Son; who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified; who spoke by the prophets.

And I believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church. I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins; and I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.