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RE: Only 26% of Irish Catholics believe in transubstantiation
June 9, 2012 at 10:43 pm
Dawkins can be pretty silly sometimes.
But actually only 60% of American Catholics even know what Transubstantiation even is. Catechesis is very weak.
(June 9, 2012 at 6:00 pm)Tobie Wrote: Except that transubstantiation is a core tenet of catholicism, so it isn't. Following the Commandments of God is also a core tenet of Catholicism, but I think most atheists would say a Catholic murderer was still a Catholic.
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RE: Only 26% of Irish Catholics believe in transubstantiation
June 9, 2012 at 11:11 pm
I went to a Catholic high school, and at least one teacher I had explicitly stated that if you didn't believe in Transsubstantiation, you simply didn't count as a Catholic.
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RE: Only 26% of Irish Catholics believe in transubstantiation
June 9, 2012 at 11:18 pm
(June 9, 2012 at 11:11 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: I went to a Catholic high school, and at least one teacher I had explicitly stated that if you didn't believe in Transsubstantiation, you simply didn't count as a Catholic.
Me too,so what? Most of my teachers were incompetent ignoramuses I wouldn't trust to organise a root in a brothel. 
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RE: Only 26% of Irish Catholics believe in transubstantiation
June 9, 2012 at 11:44 pm
(June 9, 2012 at 11:18 pm)padraic Wrote: (June 9, 2012 at 11:11 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: I went to a Catholic high school, and at least one teacher I had explicitly stated that if you didn't believe in Transsubstantiation, you simply didn't count as a Catholic.
Me too,so what? Most of my teachers were incompetent ignoramuses I wouldn't trust to organise a root in a brothel. Also, according to this summary of the Dogmas of Catholicism, the doctrine of Transsubstantiation is a "De Fide" dogma.
A "De Fide" dogma is the highest level of Catholic Dogma. Any doctrine marked "de fide" is considered essential to Catholicism and anyone deviating from it is a heretic.
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RE: Only 26% of Irish Catholics believe in transubstantiation
June 10, 2012 at 12:04 am
(June 9, 2012 at 11:44 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: Also, according to this summary of the Dogmas of Catholicism, the doctrine of Transsubstantiation is a "De Fide" dogma.
A "De Fide" dogma is the highest level of Catholic Dogma. Any doctrine marked "de fide" is considered essential to Catholicism and anyone deviating from it is a heretic.
LOL please do not tell me what "De Fide" means.
Any deviation from any sort of Catholic dogma counts as heresy if its done with full knowledge and consent. This includes the entirety of the CCC and the Commandments as well.
But we can say with certainty that anyone who said "this person murdered, therefore they are not a Catholic" would be a "no true Scotsman", correct? The same thing applies here.
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RE: Only 26% of Irish Catholics believe in transubstantiation
June 10, 2012 at 12:10 am
Sounds like your run of the mill heretical catholic.
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RE: Only 26% of Irish Catholics believe in transubstantiation
June 10, 2012 at 12:15 am
Jesus was a zombie? For how long? Did he get bitten by another zombie?
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RE: Only 26% of Irish Catholics believe in transubstantiation
June 10, 2012 at 2:32 am
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RE: Only 26% of Irish Catholics believe in transubstantiation
June 10, 2012 at 2:52 am
(June 9, 2012 at 6:00 pm)Tobie Wrote: (June 9, 2012 at 5:50 pm)Godschild Wrote: No True Scotsman.
Except that transubstantiation is a core tenet of catholicism, so it isn't.
Oh, forgive me, I thought when I made a statement that clearly defines Christianity scripturally, and pointed to the fact that Hitler never came close to the idea of said statement, let lone prove it by his actions, when you ran up the flag of NO True Scotsman, I had violated your precious little statement. So I guess I did not, seeing that the statement made was of the same idea and notion. You do know that a core tenet to Christianity is love thy neighbor don't you, Hitler tried to kill all his.
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RE: Only 26% of Irish Catholics believe in transubstantiation
June 10, 2012 at 3:44 am
(June 10, 2012 at 2:52 am)Godschild Wrote: (June 9, 2012 at 6:00 pm)Tobie Wrote: Except that transubstantiation is a core tenet of catholicism, so it isn't.
Oh, forgive me, I thought when I made a statement that clearly defines Christianity scripturally, and pointed to the fact that Hitler never came close to the idea of said statement, let lone prove it by his actions, when you ran up the flag of NO True Scotsman, I had violated your precious little statement. So I guess I did not, seeing that the statement made was of the same idea and notion. You do know that a core tenet to Christianity is love thy neighbor don't you, Hitler tried to kill all his.
I'm sure I recall you saying that actions were less important than belief in god.
And ol' Adolf was big on calling on god to justify his actions.
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