I assert there is no god on the basis that religions that have asserted the existence of god, or gods, have always been, with time, proven to be false orchestrations. The lack of evidence of current religions only serves to solidify my opinion that there are no gods. Not as we figure them to be. Now if you mean god as just a higher entity, do I outright say "they do not exist?" No. They may. But I really doubt it at this point.
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Who positivity asserts. "there is no god!"
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"agnostic" when I refer to myself as an "agnostic" atheist, is really just being semantic about the future. Since none of us has lived the future, we do not know what evidences will come up in the future. HOWEVER like I said, that really is just semantics. My view of current and past claims are that everyone made in human history so far, cannot logically, morally or especially scientifically exist. But even in not knowing the future I find it highly and fleetingly unlikely that a "god" will ever be proven to exist. Gods are merely products of human imagination.
So I am an outright atheist even about the future, but playing semantics in a technical sense I have to call myself agnostic only about the future. 
When it comes to the "god" question the word agnostic is WORTHLESS... no one has knowledge either way agnostic/nostic is based on knowledge... Theist / Atheist is based on belief.
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(July 4, 2012 at 7:11 am)Xyster Wrote: When it comes to the "god" question the word agnostic is WORTHLESS... no one has knowledge either way agnostic/nostic is based on knowledge... Theist / Atheist is based on belief. No, that is a cop out and a refusal to take a position. God is an on/off proposition "agnostic" is like a dimmer switch on a light, it can only be on or off, but the light can be dimmer or brighter thus "agnostic" fits fine both in front of theist or atheist.  RE: Who positivity asserts. "there is no god!"
July 4, 2012 at 8:05 am
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(July 4, 2012 at 7:11 am)Xyster Wrote: When it comes to the "god" question the word agnostic is WORTHLESS... no one has knowledge either way agnostic/nostic is based on knowledge... Theist / Atheist is based on belief. You are of course correct, however I would like to make one point. When you said that agnostic, as a label, is useless, I agree. Alone, at least, it means very, very little. However, when conjoined with the belief labels theism and atheism, it gains a new meaning as an enhancing descriptive. While it may be true that one doesn't have knowledge either way, that I not only grant but fully support, the more dogmatic or certain might adopt the gnostic label, particularly theists. My conclusion is that there is no reason to believe any of the dogmas of traditional theology and, further, that there is no reason to wish that they were true.
Man, in so far as he is not subject to natural forces, is free to work out his own destiny. The responsibility is his, and so is the opportunity. -Bertrand Russell 
I think it is pointless to add 'agnostic'. All it means is that you lack objective knowledge... and everyone lacks objective knowledge on the topic (the existence of gods). An atheist is an atheist. The 'agnostic' part is a given, since anyone that claims to have objective knowledge concerning the existence of gods is mistaken.
I assert that there are no gods.
If there is evidence to the contrary, or course, I will change my views appropriately. Until then, however, I can positively assert that there are no gods because that is what the current evidnce suggests.  Paul the Human Wrote:I think it is pointless to add 'agnostic'. All it means is that you lack objective knowledge... and everyone lacks objective knowledge on the topic (the existence of gods). An atheist is an atheist. The 'agnostic' part is a given, since anyone that claims to have objective knowledge concerning the existence of gods is mistaken. I think the term 'agnostic' is useful, because it shows that you admit that you lack the knowledge to be sure. I mean, how many trolls do we get here looking to disprove atheism when what they are really refuting is gnostic atheism? Would we have this problem if this was 'Agnostic Atheists Forum?' I don't think so, which indicates to me that the term is useful.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
Yeah, we'd have the same problem.
No tooth fairies, no toy factories at the north pole, no flying carpets, no gods.
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 RE: Who positivity asserts. "there is no god!"
July 6, 2012 at 4:11 pm
(This post was last modified: July 6, 2012 at 4:12 pm by jerNYC.)
I know that god doesn't exist for the same reason that I know that $&@# doesn’t exist. I don’t believe that we’ll ever be able to find evidence for $&@# because no one actually knows what $&@# is or how to look for it. When I find something that might resemble $&@#, not everyone will agree that that's actually $&@#, and we'll have to keep looking. The search will probably go on forever. At that point, we might as well just conclude that $&@# doesn't exist and move on to doing something more productive with our lives. (I'm paraphrasing the Buddha)
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