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Is becoming like God good or evil?
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God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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July 13, 2012 at 11:27 pm
(This post was last modified: July 13, 2012 at 11:28 pm by Cato.)
(July 11, 2012 at 11:46 pm)Godschild Wrote: Agreed God is omniscient, agreed God knew they would disobey Him by eating the fruit, agreed He knows how everything will turn out. In your reply after this you basically told Crate to read the Bible. "Agreed God is omniscient" was your quote and also your poblem. The Bible you were trying to jam down Crate's throat states in Genesis 3:9 that your god couldn't find Adam. You either have to admit that your god isn't omniscient or he took a time out to play a good game of hide-and-seek before doling out the punishment for eating from the tree of knowledge. RE: Is becoming like God good or evil?
July 15, 2012 at 4:01 pm
(This post was last modified: July 15, 2012 at 4:02 pm by Greatest I am.)
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"No, the reason God placed the tree in the Garden was to allow man to have a choice. If God had not done that then all would be nothing more than God's little robots, is that what you would really want?" If man had this free choice, then are commands not something that goes against free choice? Is it not saying you are free to choose except for the things I tell you not to choose? Further, if all they were doing is exercising their free willed choice, why did God throw such a fit against them and all of mankind and the earth itself with his curses? Why did he throw a fit when they did their will and not his? In fact, why did he kill A & E because of their free willed choice? Your God only says that they are free to do as told does he not? Regards DL  RE: Is becoming like God good or evil?
July 15, 2012 at 6:44 pm
(This post was last modified: July 15, 2012 at 6:55 pm by Reforged.)
"That is not dead which can eternal lie and with strange aeons even death may die."
- Abdul Alhazred.  RE: Is becoming like God good or evil?
July 15, 2012 at 10:31 pm
(This post was last modified: July 15, 2012 at 10:36 pm by Undeceived.)
(July 15, 2012 at 4:01 pm)Greatest I am Wrote: If man had this free choice, then are commands not something that goes against free choice?You make it sound as if free choice is the greatest good in the world, and that's all God should be satisfied with. Actually, the freedom to choose good or bad makes the good all the more potent and worthwhile. Without freedom we are not living, thinking beings--we are systems. God did not create us merely to do good actions, as a robot would do. He created is for love. He, like all of us, desires relationships with other intelligent beings. If we love God and sin, that is far better than doing good without love. In fact, without intelligence there is no right or wrong because there lies no thought behind the action. Only when we are given free choice does morality enter the equation. (July 15, 2012 at 10:31 pm)Undeceived Wrote: You make it sound as if free choice is the greatest good in the world, and that's all God should be satisfied with. Actually, the freedom to choose good or bad makes the good all the more potent and worthwhile. Without freedom we are not living, thinking beings--we are systems. God did not create us merely to do good actions, as a robot would do. He created is for love. He, like all of us, desires relationships with other intelligent beings. If we love God and sin, that is far better than doing good without love. In fact, without intelligence there is no right or wrong because there lies no thought behind the action. Only when we are given free choice does morality enter the equation. Uh, was this a screed meant to satisfy the belivers? Im confused now. The Yoda-esque: "He created is for love" quote is actually quite confusing in context. I would like to consider myself understanding in that I'm not a grammar or spelling freak, but I'm at a loss here.  Undeceived Wrote:He, like all of us, desires relationships with other intelligent beings. This is an oddly human characteristic for a deity to have.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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