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RE: Does anyone have one reason that supports infallibilty?
July 31, 2012 at 3:34 pm
(July 31, 2012 at 3:03 pm)catfish Wrote: You sir, are most definetly a moron and a liar.
I wanted one person to support the "infallible" theory and you are the only one who did with your post(s) that you subsequently denied.
I said, and I quote my own words: "To me, infallible as a literal interpretation is impossible, yet infallible as a test booklet is quite plausible."
You fell for the trap, you made the claim that the bible makes the claim of infallibility, and then pussied out with lies and deflections.
Fuck off, you're dismissed...
You do understand what "implicit" means, don't you, you uneducated baboon?
Anyone who has read my posts (an ounce of brain being a prerequisite) would know that I consider the bible to be wrong on multiple accounts - much less infallible.
I made the mistake of implying that the said infallibility was indicated in the bible itself once - a mistake that was subsequently admitted and corrected - and yet, like a retarded chimpanzee, that is all you can focus on.
And so far, your own statement that the bible may be "infallible as a test booklet" has gone undefended. Can you even defend the statement or do you simply intend to continue deflecting - you retarded fucktard?
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RE: Does anyone have one reason that supports infallibilty?
July 31, 2012 at 4:40 pm
(July 31, 2012 at 3:25 am)Godschild Wrote: ...However Matt. 5: 17-20 does say that they will all be fulfilled and by the One you claim is not our Savior.
cf Wrote:Sorry I missed this one earlier. I guess you editted after I had already responded.
"Jesus" is no savior for the Bible tells me so.
Isaiah 43:10-12
New International Version (NIV)
10 “You are my witnesses, ” declares the Lord,
“and my servant whom I have chosen,
so that you may know and believe me
and understand that I am he.
Before me no god was formed,
nor will there be one after me.
11 I, even I, am the Lord,
and apart from me there is no savior.
12 I have revealed and saved and proclaimed—
I, and not some foreign god among you.
You are my witnesses, ” declares the Lord, “that I am God.
You've made an error in presenting God, in the verses above LORD should be in all caps, this shows us who is speaking. In these verses it is YHWH and this name includes the Trinity, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. So Jesus is represented here as Savior.
cf Wrote:John 1:11-13
New International Version (NIV)
11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.
John 1:1-13 These verses tell of Jesus as the Savior, in theses verses He is established as being with God from the beginning. Thy also establish Him as creator and the Light unto the world. John the Baptist came as a witness that He is the Savior. The verses you give tell of the spiritual rebirth of people who believe in Christ as their Savior.
cf Wrote:1 John 3:22-24
New International Version (NIV)
22 and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him. 23 And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. 24 The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.
Now, what was Jesus' name?
Yehoshua or Yehoshua: "the LORD(YHWH) is salvation," Moses' successor, also the name of a number of Isr.
Original Word: יְהוֹשׁ֫וּעַ
Transliteration: Yehoshua or Yehoshua
Phonetic Spelling: (yeh-ho-shoo'-ah)
Short Definition: Joshua
I'm not sure what you're try to get at here, I will say this, the name Joshua and Jesus were common names, so what's in these names not much by themselves, it is who is given the name, Jesus is called the Christ or Messiah meaning God with us, Savior, Redeemer...
cf Wrote:"YHWH is salvation".... Now that's a name I can believe in...
I agree since this name relates to the Triune God.
cf Wrote:And just to kick you while you're down...
John 5:42-44
New International Version (NIV)
42 but I know you. I know that you do not have the love of God in your hearts. 43 I have come in my Father’s name, and you do not accept me; but if someone else comes in his own name, you will accept him. 44 How can you believe since you accept glory from one another but do not seek the glory that comes from the only God?
Again not sure what you'e try to say, Jesus establishes here He is the Son of God and that only through His name does salvation come. If you are trying to elude to the name God at the last of verse 44, that is referring to the Trinity. Funny how someone believes they have kicked another to the ground when by misinterpertation one missed with the kick.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Does anyone have one reason that supports infallibilty?
July 31, 2012 at 8:39 pm
Sorry GC, I don't believe in the pagan concept of a triune god. Yeshua made it clear that he had a father that he prayed to, so a 3-in-1 god that prays to itself seems a bit psycho.
I also don't believe in the pagan concept of human sacrifice for attonement of sins.
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RE: Does anyone have one reason that supports infallibilty?
July 31, 2012 at 8:41 pm
(This post was last modified: July 31, 2012 at 8:42 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Perhaps god is psychotic, that would be the least fantastic and most believable claim I've heard about it in awhile. You don't really know, so GC's triune god stands at least strongly as your own.
On the matter of human sacrifice, I disagree with that strongly myself, no matter who argues for it.
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RE: Does anyone have one reason that supports infallibilty?
July 31, 2012 at 8:58 pm
(July 31, 2012 at 8:41 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Perhaps god is psychotic, that would be the least fantastic and most believable claim I've heard about it in awhile. You don't really know, so GC's triune god stands at least strongly as your own.
On the matter of human sacrifice, I disagree with that strongly myself, no matter who argues for it.
I actually think the entire sacrifice thingy is sick and demented. It was supposed to be for "unintentional" sins. So what now? I'm forgiven for eating pork? lol
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RE: Does anyone have one reason that supports infallibilty?
July 31, 2012 at 9:06 pm
(This post was last modified: July 31, 2012 at 9:07 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
I suppose that and whatever else someone thinks is sinful. Blood, and particularly human blood, appears to be the currency of the heavens (or so the story goes).
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Does anyone have one reason that supports infallibilty?
July 31, 2012 at 9:09 pm
(July 31, 2012 at 9:06 pm)Rhythm Wrote: I suppose that and whatever else someone thinks is sinful. Blood, and particularly human blood, appears to be the currency of the heavens (or so the story goes).
Blood was never part of "God's" currency. Repentance was/is.
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RE: Does anyone have one reason that supports infallibilty?
July 31, 2012 at 9:26 pm
(This post was last modified: July 31, 2012 at 9:31 pm by Oldandeasilyconfused.)
(July 20, 2012 at 3:56 pm)catfish Wrote: The Bible isn't just fiction.
No it most certainly isn'. The Torah is the mythology and superstitions of an insignificant tribe of illiterate, bronze age goat herders. Much of it lifted from other cultures,beginning with their nasty little god.(Sumerian)
The New Testament is a mythology very loosely based on the life of a Jewish man who founded a small Jewish sect in first century Judea.(assuming he existed at all,which is by no means certain)
Quote: Do you deny historical accuracy?
In principle of course;the Bible is myth,not a history book.
If you are going to present yourself as a serious biblical scholar you will need to read the Bible in the original Greek. Of course,that will not gain you any credibility here in terms of any claims you make based on that mythology.
So far, all I have is an impression of a half-baked autodidact with a bad teacher.
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RE: Does anyone have one reason that supports infallibilty?
July 31, 2012 at 9:40 pm
(July 31, 2012 at 9:26 pm)padraic Wrote: So far, all I have is an impression of a half-baked autodidact with a bad teacher.
Since you are a half-baked autodidact with a bad teacher, I'm not impressed with your impressions. lol
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RE: Does anyone have one reason that supports infallibilty?
July 31, 2012 at 11:42 pm
Quote:Since you are a half-baked autodidact with a bad teacher, I'm not impressed with your impressions. lol
Tu quoque. Look it up,muppet.
Oh, FYI I've had a lot of teachers, including at university where I studied different mythologies and belief systems.
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