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RE: Does anyone have one reason that supports infallibilty?
July 31, 2012 at 3:47 am
(July 31, 2012 at 3:25 am)Godschild Wrote: (July 30, 2012 at 8:55 pm)catfish Wrote: No, that quote was picked to entice the hypocrites to join in.
No, by what you have posted you are using those verses to defend your opinion, sorry but those verses want cut it. Scriptures were never written to defend themselves nor God, you're on the losing end of this stick.
So, now you know my thoughts and my intended use of that verse?
"2 Corinthians 11:12-15
New International Version (NIV)
12 And I will keep on doing what I am doing in order to cut the ground from under those who want an opportunity to be considered equal with us in the things they boast about. 13 For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. 15 It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve. "
I drew a parrallel there.
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RE: Does anyone have one reason that supports infallibilty?
July 31, 2012 at 4:13 am
(July 31, 2012 at 3:47 am)catfish Wrote: (July 31, 2012 at 3:25 am)Godschild Wrote: No, by what you have posted you are using those verses to defend your opinion, sorry but those verses want cut it. Scriptures were never written to defend themselves nor God, you're on the losing end of this stick.
So, now you know my thoughts and my intended use of that verse?
"2 Corinthians 11:12-15
New International Version (NIV)
12 And I will keep on doing what I am doing in order to cut the ground from under those who want an opportunity to be considered equal with us in the things they boast about. 13 For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. 15 It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve. "
I drew a parrallel there. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
To what, please explain. By the way your thought is lacking, these verses are of no use whatsoever to the OP.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Does anyone have one reason that supports infallibilty?
July 31, 2012 at 5:28 am
(July 31, 2012 at 3:25 am)Godschild Wrote: ...However Matt. 5: 17-20 does say that they will all be fulfilled and by the One you claim is not our Savior.
Sorry I missed this one earlier. I guess you editted after I had already responded.
"Jesus" is no savior for the Bible tells me so.
Isaiah 43:10-12
New International Version (NIV)
10 “You are my witnesses, ” declares the Lord,
“and my servant whom I have chosen,
so that you may know and believe me
and understand that I am he.
Before me no god was formed,
nor will there be one after me.
11 I, even I, am the Lord,
and apart from me there is no savior.
12 I have revealed and saved and proclaimed—
I, and not some foreign god among you.
You are my witnesses, ” declares the Lord, “that I am God.
John 1:11-13
New International Version (NIV)
11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.
1 John 3:22-24
New International Version (NIV)
22 and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him. 23 And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. 24 The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.
Now, what was Jesus' name?
Yehoshua or Yehoshua: "the LORD(YHWH) is salvation," Moses' successor, also the name of a number of Isr.
Original Word: יְהוֹשׁ֫וּעַ
Transliteration: Yehoshua or Yehoshua
Phonetic Spelling: (yeh-ho-shoo'-ah)
Short Definition: Joshua
"YHWH is salvation".... Now that's a name I can believe in...
And just to kick you while you're down...
John 5:42-44
New International Version (NIV)
42 but I know you. I know that you do not have the love of God in your hearts. 43 I have come in my Father’s name, and you do not accept me; but if someone else comes in his own name, you will accept him. 44 How can you believe since you accept glory from one another but do not seek the glory that comes from the only God?
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RE: Does anyone have one reason that supports infallibilty?
July 31, 2012 at 11:55 am
(July 31, 2012 at 2:11 am)catfish Wrote: Sorry, I have to point out this blatant error also. Here is what you typed the second time:
"The distinction being that the claim of infallibility in the latter case is in the text itself."
So, show me where in the text that the claim of infallibilty is made...
Are you a moron or simply illiterate? Go read the post again and try to understand what the "latter case" is referring to.
(July 31, 2012 at 1:14 am)genkaus Wrote: Read page 5 and come back with some more nonsense pls.
Read it. And as before, your assumption of infallibility comes across clearly.
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RE: Does anyone have one reason that supports infallibilty?
July 31, 2012 at 12:58 pm
(July 31, 2012 at 11:55 am)genkaus Wrote: (July 31, 2012 at 2:11 am)catfish Wrote: Sorry, I have to point out this blatant error also. Here is what you typed the second time:
"The distinction being that the claim of infallibility in the latter case is in the text itself."
So, show me where in the text that the claim of infallibilty is made...
Are you a moron or simply illiterate? Go read the post again and try to understand what the "latter case" is referring to.
(July 31, 2012 at 1:14 am)genkaus Wrote: Read page 5 and come back with some more nonsense pls.
Read it. And as before, your assumption of infallibility comes across clearly. 
I was starting to think you were just stupid.
Now I think you're stupid AND a liar.
Clearly huh? Then why did you type these exact words?
"And all this won't distract me from the fact that you still haven't committed to a position. Do you think the bible is infallible or not? "
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RE: Does anyone have one reason that supports infallibilty?
July 31, 2012 at 1:08 pm
(This post was last modified: July 31, 2012 at 1:10 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
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RE: Does anyone have one reason that supports infallibilty?
July 31, 2012 at 2:42 pm
(This post was last modified: July 31, 2012 at 2:43 pm by genkaus.)
(July 31, 2012 at 12:58 pm)catfish Wrote:
I was starting to think you were just stupid.
Now I think you're stupid AND a liar.
Says the guy who cannot comprehend plain English.
(July 31, 2012 at 12:58 pm)catfish Wrote: Clearly huh? Then why did you type these exact words?
"And all this won't distract me from the fact that you still haven't committed to a position. Do you think the bible is infallible or not? "
Because inspite of implicitly committing to the position, you haven't defended it and have forever tried to deflect from that need - as you are doing now.
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RE: Does anyone have one reason that supports infallibilty?
July 31, 2012 at 2:47 pm
(July 31, 2012 at 2:42 pm)genkaus Wrote: (July 31, 2012 at 12:58 pm)catfish Wrote:
I was starting to think you were just stupid.
Now I think you're stupid AND a liar.
Says the guy who cannot comprehend plain English.
(July 31, 2012 at 12:58 pm)catfish Wrote: Clearly huh? Then why did you type these exact words?
"And all this won't distract me from the fact that you still haven't committed to a position. Do you think the bible is infallible or not? "
Because inspite of implicitly committing to the position, you haven't defended it and have forever tried to deflect from that need - as you are doing now.
Alright dumbass, to which position did I "implicitly" commit?
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RE: Does anyone have one reason that supports infallibilty?
July 31, 2012 at 2:55 pm
(July 31, 2012 at 2:47 pm)catfish Wrote: (July 31, 2012 at 2:42 pm)genkaus Wrote: Says the guy who cannot comprehend plain English.
Because inspite of implicitly committing to the position, you haven't defended it and have forever tried to deflect from that need - as you are doing now.
Alright dumbass, to which position did I "implicitly" commit?
That the bible is infallible.
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RE: Does anyone have one reason that supports infallibilty?
July 31, 2012 at 3:03 pm
(This post was last modified: July 31, 2012 at 3:05 pm by catfish.)
(July 31, 2012 at 2:55 pm)genkaus Wrote: (July 31, 2012 at 2:47 pm)catfish Wrote: Alright dumbass, to which position did I "implicitly" commit?
That the bible is infallible.
You sir, are most definetly a moron and a liar.
I wanted one person to support the "infallible" theory and you are the only one who did with your post(s) that you subsequently denied.
I said, and I quote my own words: "To me, infallible as a literal interpretation is impossible, yet infallible as a test booklet is quite plausible."
You fell for the trap, you made the claim that the bible makes the claim of infallibility, and then pussied out with lies and deflections.
Fuck off, you're dismissed...
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