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RE: If there is nothing after death how do we find out?
August 26, 2012 at 7:48 am
(August 26, 2012 at 7:35 am)Kayenneh Wrote: (August 25, 2012 at 12:00 pm)NoraBrimstone Wrote: So you can look forward to being bits and bobs of all kinds of things, but you'll never know it.
Well, considering that the atoms and molecules in your body change constantly, you can enjoy being recycled today! 
You know what makes me smile? Knowing that the stuff I'm made up of came from a star. Also that when I die the atoms I'm made of will travel for billions of years forming other things. That I'll be in a state where time and matter will no longer have any meaning to me, seeing as I'll be beyond such things. No hate, no lust, no pain. An ideal heaven for me I tinks.
And besides, for those who like to hold onto the idea of another life, perhaps we may exist again in yet another life form generations from now, no memory of our past life. You never know, this could be the 6th time I've returned from oblivion.
Wow, some mental masturbation right there!
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RE: If there is nothing after death how do we find out?
August 26, 2012 at 8:04 am
(This post was last modified: August 26, 2012 at 8:05 am by The Grand Nudger.)
I like to imagine the situation my progeny, (far removed from even the memory of myself) will find themselves in. Call me crazy, but I commonly think of my physical hardware and mental software as an EV suit for life. I don't really feel the need to invent an afterlife for myself beyond this.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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Re: RE: If there is nothing after death how do we find out?
August 26, 2012 at 8:20 am
(August 26, 2012 at 7:48 am)Ace Otana Wrote: (August 26, 2012 at 7:35 am)Kayenneh Wrote: Well, considering that the atoms and molecules in your body change constantly, you can enjoy being recycled today!
You know what makes me smile? Knowing that the stuff I'm made up of came from a star. Also that when I die the atoms I'm made of will travel for billions of years forming other things. That I'll be in a state where time and matter will no longer have any meaning to me, seeing as I'll be beyond such things. No hate, no lust, no pain. An ideal heaven for me I tinks.
And besides, for those who like to hold onto the idea of another life, perhaps we may exist again in yet another life form generations from now, no memory of our past life. You never know, this could be the 6th time I've returned from oblivion.
Wow, some mental masturbation right there!
Yes! It's amazing isn't it? Parts of you were probably parts of a dinosaur! It's like a real-life version of reincarnation lol
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RE: If there is nothing after death how do we find out?
August 26, 2012 at 9:48 am
(August 26, 2012 at 8:20 am)NoraBrimstone Wrote: Yes! It's amazing isn't it? Parts of you were probably parts of a dinosaur! It's like a real-life version of reincarnation lol
Hmm.. Someone should count the probability of that happening 
When I was young, there was a god with infinite power protecting me. Is there anyone else who felt that way? And was sure about it? but the first time I fell in love, I was thrown down - or maybe I broke free - and I bade farewell to God and became human. Now I don't have God's protection, and I walk on the ground without wings, but I don't regret this hardship. I want to live as a person. -Arina Tanemura
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Re: RE: If there is nothing after death how do we find out?
August 26, 2012 at 12:38 pm
(August 26, 2012 at 9:48 am)Kayenneh Wrote: (August 26, 2012 at 8:20 am)NoraBrimstone Wrote: Yes! It's amazing isn't it? Parts of you were probably parts of a dinosaur! It's like a real-life version of reincarnation lol
Hmm.. Someone should count the probability of that happening
As long as I don't have to do it.
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RE: If there is nothing after death how do we find out?
August 26, 2012 at 11:09 pm
Quote:Hmm.. Someone should count the probability of that happening
Intuitively (so probably wrong) I think the chances of us all having a few dinosaur atoms are pretty high.
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RE: If there is nothing after death how do we find out?
August 27, 2012 at 12:56 am
(This post was last modified: August 27, 2012 at 1:13 am by Angrboda.)
Actually, I'd guess otherwise. The biomasss on this planet in some ways is part of a layer of matter, much like the phototropic zone in the seas, in which matter is more likely to remain in a thin layer, than distribute randomly throughout the available mass. Still, though, the amount of that mass which is biological, much less complex multicellular life, much less one branch of rather large animals, is an extremely small fraction of the entire mass circulating. (And also taking into account that much of the history of our matter, there were no life forms to be a part of.)
In some ways it reminds me of the silliness of past life regression. Mary Roach delves into it in her book Spook, which I unfortunately was too ill to read when required, but given her enfant terrible humor, I'm sure she skewers all the obvious targets. In particular, everybody imagines their past lives to be filled with significant and interesting people. Given the ratio of remarkable people to general sods and idiots, such a high ratio of excellence is surely improbable. But no past life maven regales people with tales of their lives as ditch diggers, accountants, and petty criminals who died in obscurity. It's worth remarking, for those who are not aware, that the Church of Scientology preaches past lives, in addition to all the space opera, and the past life stuff isn't hidden in auditing level OT III.
In the spirit of Darwin, I'd have to surmise that I spent an inordinate amount of time as parts of trilobytes before I made it to the big time of being indefinitely recycled by a community of dung beetles.
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RE: If there is nothing after death how do we find out?
August 27, 2012 at 5:10 am
How about we put the question like this:
If there is something after death, how do we find out?
How did some guy in the bronze age come to find this out?
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RE: If there is nothing after death how do we find out?
August 27, 2012 at 5:37 am
(August 27, 2012 at 5:10 am)pocaracas Wrote: If there is something after death, how do we find out?
Good imagination and wishful thinking?
When I was young, there was a god with infinite power protecting me. Is there anyone else who felt that way? And was sure about it? but the first time I fell in love, I was thrown down - or maybe I broke free - and I bade farewell to God and became human. Now I don't have God's protection, and I walk on the ground without wings, but I don't regret this hardship. I want to live as a person. -Arina Tanemura
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RE: If there is nothing after death how do we find out?
August 27, 2012 at 5:59 am
(August 27, 2012 at 5:37 am)Kayenneh Wrote: (August 27, 2012 at 5:10 am)pocaracas Wrote: If there is something after death, how do we find out?
Good imagination and wishful thinking? Aye, that's my guess, too. But "they" sound like it's something real. I'm hoping "they" can reply to this with something substantial.
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