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RE: Why must Christian apologists tell lies?
August 27, 2012 at 7:06 pm
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Quote: Many Christians are triumphant that Dawkins refuses to argue with Craig and Craig taunts Dawkins for refusing. I think Dawkins should be able to beat Craig flat. Dawkins is the sort who will do his homework so all he needs to do is to look at all Craig's debates and study all his arguments. They are all flawed. It's a matter of sitting down and understanding the flaws and formulating a succinct argument against each of his.
Personally, having watched quite a few of Craig's debates I would tend to agree with you. I would also add that he bores everyone rigid, to the point where you actually forget what his arguments were. I reckon taking a dictaphone into the debate would be a better strategy. That way you could take every utterance that comes out of Craig's mouth and tear it to shreds. I think that's against the rules of formal debate, though. Ah well.
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RE: Why must Christian apologists tell lies?
August 27, 2012 at 7:28 pm
(August 27, 2012 at 11:11 am)frankiej Wrote: William Lane Craig is a slime ball anyway.  I find it difficult to look at his face without retching.
I have a friend who studies theology, he likes Craig. I don't know why though.
Sadly,Australia has the troglodyte Ken Ham. The guy has face like a skun penis and the personality of a cane toad.
Good old Ken in action to a group of innocent children.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiV39cR2jgc
Quote:You are fortunate that when God made you a fool,he gave you a fool's face (Anthony Quinn as Auda abu Tayi to Anthony Quayle as Colonel Harry Brighton, a Brit officer, in 'Lawrence Of Arabia')
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RE: Why must Christian apologists tell lies?
August 27, 2012 at 7:45 pm
(August 27, 2012 at 7:28 pm)padraic Wrote: (August 27, 2012 at 11:11 am)frankiej Wrote: William Lane Craig is a slime ball anyway. I find it difficult to look at his face without retching.
I have a friend who studies theology, he likes Craig. I don't know why though.
Sadly,Australia has the troglodyte Ken Ham. The guy has face like a skun penis and the personality of a cane toad.
Good old Ken in action to a group of innocent children.
Quote:You are fortunate that when God made you a fool,he gave you a fool's face (Anthony Quinn as Auda abu Tayi to Anthony Quayle as Colonel Harry Brighton, a Brit officer, in 'Lawrence Of Arabia')
He uses the word believe a lot, and then goes on to share that god awful timeline of history. If any of those kids have an ounce of sense, that alone should be enough to turn them from Christianity for life. It is exactly that type of shit that got me started asking questions, and round about that age too.
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RE: Why must Christian apologists tell lies?
August 27, 2012 at 7:58 pm
Quote: I think Dawkins should be able to beat Craig flat.
They don't even speak the same language. Dawkins is a scientist.
Craig is a bible-thumping asshole. Craig could not rationally discuss biology and more than Dawkins could discuss how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.
Then, as Pad mentioned, you have true shitheads like Ham who thinks jesus rode a dinosaur and how could any intelligent person listen to such prattle without laughing in his face?
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RE: Why must Christian apologists tell lies?
August 27, 2012 at 9:37 pm
Everything rapidly goes downhill when God, the ultimate example of intelligence to Christians, fucks up the chronology of Sun and Earth formation.
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RE: Why must Christian apologists tell lies?
August 27, 2012 at 10:00 pm
(August 27, 2012 at 9:37 pm)cato123 Wrote: Everything rapidly goes downhill when God, the ultimate example of intelligence to Christians, fucks up the chronology of Sun and Earth formation.
You are referring to Gen 1 and the order of creation. Gen. 1 is of course based on ancient Israelite cosmology which is antiquated and wrong. I don't blame them. All the ancients got it wrong. Naturally, the Bible isn't reliable because it contains all these errors, outdated ideas, untruths, lies and incredible violence (the ancients were bloodthirsty - think of Attila the Hun and Genghiz Khan).
As an aside - I got lots of complaints against me for saying the above fact in Christian Forums which culminated in my 3-day ban. Can you imagine that? And I didn't even say anything mildly wrong. I really don't know how I can even say anything without offending people in CF. I have started a formal debate with someone but I'm sure I will be banned before the first round.
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RE: Why must Christian apologists tell lies?
August 27, 2012 at 10:00 pm
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(August 27, 2012 at 5:48 pm)greneknight Wrote: Many Christians are triumphant that Dawkins refuses to argue with Craig and Craig taunts Dawkins for refusing. I think Dawkins should be able to beat Craig flat. Dawkins is the sort who will do his homework so all he needs to do is to look at all Craig's debates and study all his arguments. They are all flawed. It's a matter of sitting down and understanding the flaws and formulating a succinct argument against each of his.
A man does not debate a monkey and does care about the triumphant howls of other monkeys.
(August 27, 2012 at 9:37 pm)cato123 Wrote: Everything rapidly goes downhill when God, the ultimate example of intelligence to Christians, fucks up the chronology of Sun and Earth formation.
Everything goes down hill when "god" was asserted to be real enough to possess attributes.
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RE: Why must Christian apologists tell lies?
August 27, 2012 at 10:21 pm
(August 27, 2012 at 10:00 pm)Chuck Wrote: Everything goes down hill when "god" was asserted to be real enough to possess attributes.
Don't strictly fictional entities still possess attributes? Doesn't Superman possess the attribute of "being Kryptonian", or "able to leap tall buildings in a single bound"?
“The truth of our faith becomes a matter of ridicule among the infidels if any Catholic, not gifted with the necessary scientific learning, presents as dogma what scientific scrutiny shows to be false.”
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RE: Why must Christian apologists tell lies?
August 27, 2012 at 10:23 pm
Quote: Naturally, the Bible isn't reliable because it contains all these errors, outdated ideas, untruths, lies and incredible violence (the ancients were bloodthirsty - think of Attila the Hun and Genghiz Khan).
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RE: Why must Christian apologists tell lies?
August 27, 2012 at 10:27 pm
(August 27, 2012 at 10:00 pm)greneknight Wrote: You are referring to Gen 1 and the order of creation. Gen. 1 is of course based on ancient Israelite cosmology which is antiquated and wrong. I don't blame them. All the ancients got it wrong. Naturally, the Bible isn't reliable because it contains all these errors, outdated ideas, untruths, lies and incredible violence (the ancients were bloodthirsty - think of Attila the Hun and Genghiz Khan).
"I'm glad you're here to tell us these things. Chewie, take the professor in the back and plug him into the hyperdrive."
Did you know that there is an idea floating around based on DNA evidence that Genghis Khan could be the direct ancestor of about 30M people living today? Blood thirsty? Perhaps, but if Ghengis Khan lived today he would likely be a porn addict.
(August 27, 2012 at 10:00 pm)greneknight Wrote: As an aside - I got lots of complaints against me for saying the above fact in Christian Forums which culminated in my 3-day ban. Can you imagine that? And I didn't even say anything mildly wrong. I really don't know how I can even say anything without offending people in CF. I have started a formal debate with someone but I'm sure I will be banned before the first round.
3-day ban? Are you then to be resurrected? Is there any Christ similitude in this?
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