Apes Make and Use Tools

[Minimalist]

He won't see it that way.

Like all of the shitwits, he'll invent another god.

[A Theist]

Loads of animals use tools. Only a few make them. Fascinating, isn't it? Nice reminder that we're not so special after all, huh, A theist?

Meh. Not too impressive. 'Monkey see. Monkey do'. They were probably hanging out in the jungle somewhere watching humans around a campfire and mimiced what they saw.

[Tea Earl Grey Hot]

He won't see it that way.

Like all of the shitwits, he'll invent another god.

The Lawgiver!

[Mister Agenda]

Different bands of chimps have different 'tookits', that is, different sets of tools they know how to make, depending on what is most useful in their area. A band of chimps is likely to know how to make a dozen or so simple tools.

[Napoléon]

Meh. Not too impressive. 'Monkey see. Monkey do'. They were probably hanging out in the jungle somewhere watching humans around a campfire and mimiced what they saw.

Is this guy serious?

[Anomalocaris]

Meh. Not too impressive. 'Monkey see. Monkey do'. They were probably hanging out in the jungle somewhere watching humans around a campfire and mimiced what they saw.

Is this guy serious?

Well, Pentacostals all over the world howl and spasm in much the same way. So I think indeed "Pentacostals see, Pentacostals do", without any understanding or adaptability.

But monkeys and chimps clearly can adapt what they learn to their local environment. So unlike pentacostals, "Monkey see, Monkey do better". Which ultimately is what we had imaged to be the thing that differentiates humans with capacity for progress from mere imitative animals.

[Aegrus]

Loads of animals use tools. Only a few make them. Fascinating, isn't it? Nice reminder that we're not so special after all, huh, A theist?

Meh. Not too impressive. 'Monkey see. Monkey do'. They were probably hanging out in the jungle somewhere watching humans around a campfire and mimiced what they saw.

So kind of like how every human child learns?

And aside from that, I fail to see when apes would ever see humans trying to break open a log to get to the yummy goodies inside.

[The Grand Nudger]

Meh. Not too impressive. 'Monkey see. Monkey do'. They were probably hanging out in the jungle somewhere watching humans around a campfire and mimiced what they saw.

Wait...wait..you think that a flintknapping ape was watching flintknapping human apes sitting around a campfire somewhere? Just how old do you think this particular ape is? I'm going to have to mimic other posters here, and remind you that the most difficult jobs in the most high-tech factories that human beings operate also have to train their employees. Apes make tools, we (as apes) are pretty fucking good at it relative to the others, I'll give you that.

[jonb]

I find this a very interesting area, there is a thing I haver noticed, which I have not found reference to in any of the literature.
In all the troupes of primates where invention has been observed that I know about, it has invariably been low status individuals within the group that have been the most inventive.
Chimpanzees making noise with found paint tins, in Jane Goodalls work were all low status males.
The Japanese monkeys on the beach sifting grain from sand, inventing and learning was all done by females low in the hierarchy.

I just might just be a coincidence, but it is also odd how many great inventions did not come from those in the know, but from low status people that life was seeming to pass by.

[Creed of Heresy]

I find this a very interesting area, there is a thing I haver noticed, which I have not found reference to in any of the literature.
In all the troupes of primates where invention has been observed that I know about, it has invariably been low status individuals within the group that have been the most inventive.
Chimpanzees making noise with found paint tins, in Jane Goodalls work were all low status males.
The Japanese monkeys on the beach sifting grain from sand, inventing and learning was all done by females low in the hierarchy.

I just might just be a coincidence, but it is also odd how many great inventions did not come from those in the know, but from low status people that life was seeming to pass by.

That doesn't surprise me. How many knuckle-dragging mouth-breather neanderthals in our society are considered to be desirable or superior just because they have big muscles/tits?