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RE: A list of serious arguments against theism
September 3, 2012 at 11:34 pm
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(September 3, 2012 at 11:29 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: (September 3, 2012 at 7:23 pm)Vincenzo "Vinny" G. Wrote: Could you make a coherent case for that argument? Ideally in another thread.
I'd like to learn.
Allow me to quote back at you: "Do your own homework."
After the shameful way you conducted yourself in another thread earlier today, I have no further interest conversing with you.
Stimbo himself got over it and you're going to throw a tantrum with us now? Grow up, you martyr.
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RE: A list of serious arguments against theism
September 3, 2012 at 11:39 pm
(September 3, 2012 at 11:34 pm)Vincenzo "Vinny" G. Wrote: (September 3, 2012 at 11:29 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: Allow me to quote back at you: "Do your own homework."
After the shameful way you conducted yourself in another thread earlier today, I have no further interest conversing with you.
Stimbo himself got over it and you're going to throw a tantrum with us now? Grow up, you martyr.
No tantrum, simply a choice of who I will and will not bother with here. It's a short list, you should feel flattered. You're in elite company.
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RE: A list of serious arguments against theism
September 3, 2012 at 11:41 pm
Oh, I know. I heard you won't discourse with anyone above an IQ of 40.
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RE: A list of serious arguments against theism
September 3, 2012 at 11:44 pm
At some point you'll need something better than "dummy-head" cracks compadre. That routine gets stale.
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RE: A list of serious arguments against theism
September 4, 2012 at 12:27 am
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I take it Theism is not only the assertion that God exists but that he is knowable or that belief in him is justified.
Now many Theists acknowledge there is no argument to prove God, but believe there is a spiritual knowledge of God in humans that is properly basic.
I haven't seen anyone disprove this claim and it seems true to me.
Although the insistence of Atheists that they have no way of knowing God humbles this claim, a lot of people assert that free-will doesn't exist or that we don't know whether we have free-will or don't, and I feel we do know we have free-will from properly basic experience.
The same is true of morality. A lot of moral issues and morality in general, is properly basic. A lot of people don't believe in morality and believe it's a delusion, this doesn't make me believe we have no way knowing morality is not a delusion and is an authority.
I don't see people being upset at no argument proving morality or free-will existing while people still believe in these two foundations of human life, so I don't see why the issue of God needs an argument to prove him.
So things like sight of our souls, realization of metaphysical basis to our souls, or ultimate greatness existing, doesn't need an argument in my honest opinion.
The best argument that our belief of knowledge of God is false, I think is the argument against evil. However, I feel this is more an appeal to our emotion of want of peace and non-suffering, then that of actual knowledge of higher wisdom and moral intent and wise benevolence.
Reality is without properly basic belief, you won't have warranted in belief in the past existing or induction outside of mathematics (probability type included).
Our intuition lead us to learn language, we spoke based upon logical rules, that only later we analyzed, but we knew them to be true back then intuitively.
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RE: A list of serious arguments against theism
September 4, 2012 at 3:35 am
There's this one, which works against most religions:
http://atheistforums.org/thread-10291.html
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RE: A list of serious arguments against theism
September 4, 2012 at 10:41 am
(September 3, 2012 at 5:52 pm)Vincenzo "Vinny" G. Wrote:
This is the list of arguments against God from wikipedia.
I'm not familiar with all the names I'm seeing for the arguments, but the ones I recognise, as I understand it, are not arguments against a deity's or deities' existence so much as refutations of arguments for their existence. Russell's teapot, for example, demonstrates that you can postulate anything out of reach and, provided you add enough caveats, it can't be disproved. The crux of Russell's teapot (again, as I understand it) is that just because something can't be disproved it doesn't mean it exists or is rational to believe in it, not that deities don't exist.
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