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RE: Why do Christians sound stupid?
September 7, 2012 at 10:06 pm
(September 7, 2012 at 9:51 pm)Stimbo Wrote: It's hard to construct this without falling into the very trap I'm attempting to describe, but in my experience atheists and similar non-believers have a tendency not to make sweeping generalisations. Quite what that may say about intelligence I have no idea and less desire to speculate.
I have to wonder if there may be some selection or confirmation bias at play...
I have noticed a fair number of sweeping generalizations from both side of the fence, and in my estimation it's a common human characteristic. I've noticed it here and elsewhere, and suspect that I do it as well though I try to avoid it.
It seems to me that it's easier to notice when another makes a generalization about a group you identify with, and less so when another who one identifies with makes such a generalization about someone (or a group) who is quite different.
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RE: Why do Christians sound stupid?
September 7, 2012 at 10:23 pm
(September 7, 2012 at 9:44 pm)Faith No More Wrote: You complaining about other people's lack of ability to use reason and logic, Polaris, is a bit like Rush Limbaugh complaining about Americans being too fat.
You trying to assert that point is like Paul Ryan or Obama telling the truth.
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RE: Why do Christians sound stupid?
September 7, 2012 at 10:33 pm
(September 7, 2012 at 10:06 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:
Probably quite right, I'm no saint when it comes to such things myself. It's all too easy on the internet to fall into the trap of tarring all of a particular group with the brush used on the more obviously vocal elements. As I tend to encounter the burblings of the likes of NephilimFree, VenomFangX, Ian Juby etc it can be hard to readjust to the more mainstream, moderate believers.
I think it can be gleaned from various of my comments here that I consider everyone to be different and unique, even when they cluster together in little enclaves for mutual support or whatever. Personally I would hope not to make a statement along the lines of "[Atheists] basically repeat the same few fallacies they read off some blog, which do not hold up to academic scrutiny at the middle school level", not only because lying is a sin but also it's one of those generalisations I mentioned.
(September 7, 2012 at 10:23 pm)Polaris Wrote: (September 7, 2012 at 9:44 pm)Faith No More Wrote: You complaining about other people's lack of ability to use reason and logic, Polaris, is a bit like Rush Limbaugh complaining about Americans being too fat.
You trying to assert that point is like Paul Ryan or Obama telling the truth.
As in closer to 100%, you mean? And I say this neither knowing nor caring who Paul Ryan is. Wasn't there a film about his daughter?
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RE: Why do Christians sound stupid?
September 7, 2012 at 10:45 pm
Polaris Wrote:You trying to assert that point is like Paul Ryan or Obama telling the truth.
Exhibit A of your reasoning and logic skills. That made no sense.
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RE: Why do Christians sound stupid?
September 7, 2012 at 10:46 pm
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(September 7, 2012 at 10:45 pm)Faith No More Wrote: Polaris Wrote:You trying to assert that point is like Paul Ryan or Obama telling the truth.
Exhibit A of your reasoning and logic skills. That made no sense.
...it gets no where. I mean have you listened to either of them? Not a truthful word from either.
Exhibit A of you not paying attention to the world around you.
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RE: Why do Christians sound stupid?
September 7, 2012 at 10:53 pm
Quote:I used to wonder why Christians sound so incredibly stupid.
I never wonder about it..... although given the reasoning capabilities of the ones who show up here it does seem to be true.
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RE: Why do Christians sound stupid?
September 7, 2012 at 10:59 pm
Polaris Wrote:...it gets no where. I mean have you listened to either of them? Not a truthful word from either.
Exhibit A of you not paying attention to the world around you.
Yeah...maybe you should look up the definition of 'assert' before you try to insinuate that I failed to do so.
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RE: Why do Christians sound stupid?
September 7, 2012 at 11:01 pm
(September 7, 2012 at 10:59 pm)Faith No More Wrote: Polaris Wrote:...it gets no where. I mean have you listened to either of them? Not a truthful word from either.
Exhibit A of you not paying attention to the world around you.
Yeah...maybe you should look up the definition of 'assert' before you try to insinuate that I failed to do so.
To do so as it should be would be insulting a mod.
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RE: Why do Christians sound stupid?
September 7, 2012 at 11:05 pm
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Quote:From what I have seen from the Atheists is they are quite stubborn to reason or logic
Well,yes,I certainly can be .As a principle, you might change your mind if you got out of your mum's basement more often.
A skeptic,I understand that logic and reason do not guarantee truth. An argument may be logically valid but the inference untrue. (day one,Logic 101) I reject the so -called neo Platonist position,argued by people such as Aquinas and Augustine ,that god can be argued into or out of existence . I demand proof.
IF you can prove any of your claims, please show me. If not, I invite you to stop wasting my time and kindly fuck off..
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RE: Why do Christians sound stupid?
September 7, 2012 at 11:14 pm
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(September 7, 2012 at 11:05 pm)padraic Wrote: Quote:From what I have seen from the Atheists is they are quite stubborn to reason or logic
Well,yes,I certainly can be .As a principle, you might change your mind if you got out of your mum's basement more often.
A skeptic,I understand that logic and reason do not guarantee truth. An argument may be logically valid but the inference untrue. (day one,Logic 101) I reject the so -called neo Platonist position,argued by people such as Aquinas and Augustine ,that god can be argued into or out of existence . I demand proof.
IF you can prove any of your claims, please show me. If not, I invite you to stop wasting my time and kindly fuck off..
Well maybe you should re-read where I differentiated between unbelievers and Atheists, comparing the latter to Fundies.
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