Is this seriously worth it? Guantanmo inmate never charged with a crime, dies after 11 years in US custody

[Minimalist]

11 years should have been enough time to charge or release, Shel.

We need to shit or get off the pot with GB because we look every bit as bad as the Russians or Nazis we used to claim we were "better than."

[Reforged]

Does it really matter whether he was guilty or innocent? They basically tortured him to death.
In what way would the confirmation of either make this better? Whatever crimes he may or may not have committed we do not have proof for. They evidently extracted his desperate confessions through inquisition like methods.

The only crime we do have proof for is that under the states supervision and approval a human being was systematically tortured and broken till he lost the will to live.
It is a crime the state should be held accountable for.

[Shell B]

11 years should have been enough time to charge or release, Shel.

We need to shit or get off the pot with GB because we look every bit as bad as the Russians or Nazis we used to claim we were "better than."

Here's my contention. I said nothing initially about the case at all. I was merely pointing out that bald statements like that made in the OP are made in both sides of this debate and others. I point it out because I would like to see people use language that is not purposely designed to make it out to seem like there is more information than is actually there and use the proofs that are to make their points. I am guilty of this sort of overblowing myself sometimes. I would hope someone would point it out to me when I make statements for which I have no evidence.

That being said, of course 11 years should be way more than enough time. Eleven days is sufficient to file official charges. My argument is not about that. We cannot pretend that we know whether the man is innocent just because he never went to court.

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Does it really matter whether he was guilty or innocent? They basically tortured him to death.

No, but it matters when people make claims that he was one or the other without evidence. Say he was treated badly. Say he was tortured to death and those who did it should be tried. That is enough ammo. Why throw in a statement that lacks glue to hold it together? I had roughly the same argument today with someone who was arguing for the legalization of pot. I am all for it. What I am not all for is her mixing all of the facts with a statement like, "It cures cancer." She lost me there. Some people just need to be reined in before they jump right off the "I'm on a roll" cliff. I'm sure I'm not innocent of it.

In what way would the confirmation of either make this better?

It would not. That doesn't change that it lacks confirmation.

I'm rather sure that a sincere argument will be written off as bullying, though, so I am going to take my leave for now. This is one of those arguments where some parties cannot debate it and remain calm. It's sensitive like most human rights violations. Good luck, oh internet debaters!

[Reforged]

I had roughly the same argument today with someone who was arguing for the legalization of pot. I am all for it. What I am not all for is her mixing all of the facts with a statement like, "It cures cancer." She lost me there. Some people just need to be reined in before they jump right off the "I'm on a roll" cliff. I'm sure I'm not innocent of it.

Whoa whoa whoa, roll back.
Who said pot cures cancer?
Thats amazing, that deserves a trolling that I would find rather challenging to undertake but... I think it has to be done.
Tell me. :-)

[cratehorus]

I had roughly the same argument today with someone who was arguing for the legalization of pot. I am all for it. What I am not all for is her mixing all of the facts with a statement like, "It cures cancer." She lost me there. Some people just need to be reined in before they jump right off the "I'm on a roll" cliff. I'm sure I'm not innocent of it.

Whoa whoa whoa, roll back.
Who said pot cures cancer?
Thats amazing, that deserves a trolling that I would find rather challenging to undertake but... I think it has to be done.
Tell me. :-)

Marijuana cures wasting which is a common side effect of chemotherapy and can be fatal

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/articl...ather.html

[Reforged]

Whoa whoa whoa, roll back.
Who said pot cures cancer?
Thats amazing, that deserves a trolling that I would find rather challenging to undertake but... I think it has to be done.
Tell me. :-)

Marijuana cures wasting which is a common side effect of chemotherapy and can be fatal

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/articl...ather.html

Right but it doesn't "cure cancer". Did someone actually say those words? Because I'd be excited to meet them.
Theres no reason to think the "marijuana cure" had anything to do with the curing of the brain cancer. Is there any research being done into it that conclusively proves it does or what?

[cratehorus]

Right but it doesn't "cure cancer". Did someone actually say those words? Because I'd be excited to meet them.
Theres no reason to think the "marijuana cure" had anything to do with the curing of the brain cancer. Is there any research being done into it that conclusively proves it does or what?

Yes, alot of people have studied it and they seem confident marijuana can certain forms of cure cancer, the big problem is getting funding and getting legal permission to have enough marijuana to do proper testing

The study concluded that via the same biochemical process THC could terminate multiple types of cancers, affecting various cells in the body. Other studies have shown that cannabinoids may work by various mechanisms, including inhibiting cell growth, inducing cell death, and inhibiting tumor metastasis.

What is amazing is that while cannabinoids effectively target and kill cancerous cells, they do not affect healthy, normal cells and may actually protect them against cellular death. Moreover, cannabinoids are also researched for their pain-modulation and anti-inflammatory abilities as they bind to special receptors in the brain, much like opioid derivatives that are commonly prescribed today.

http://www.naturalnews.com/033757_cannab..._cure.html

[Shell B]

Right but it doesn't "cure cancer". Did someone actually say those words? Because I'd be excited to meet them.
Theres no reason to think the "marijuana cure" had anything to do with the curing of the brain cancer. Is there any research being done into it that conclusively proves it does or what?

Fuck no. There is no research saying it cures cancer or anything of the sort. Yes, a woman actually said that marijuana can make cancerous tumors go away. It's that kind of misinformation that discredits arguments. Marijuana is an amazing medication. It is not a miracle cure.

[Reforged]

Right but it doesn't "cure cancer". Did someone actually say those words? Because I'd be excited to meet them.
Theres no reason to think the "marijuana cure" had anything to do with the curing of the brain cancer. Is there any research being done into it that conclusively proves it does or what?

Fuck no. There is no research saying it cures cancer or anything of the sort. Yes, a woman actually said that marijuana can make cancerous tumors go away. It's that kind of misinformation that discredits arguments. Marijuana is an amazing medication. It is not a miracle cure.

I know it helps with some conditions but I think people really do get carried away.
Heard it helped with asthma and alzheimer's at some point but I'm fairly certain thats bullshit.
I'd type it in on google but I don't want that type of shit on my search history for... reasons I'm not going to go into.

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Right but it doesn't "cure cancer". Did someone actually say those words? Because I'd be excited to meet them.
Theres no reason to think the "marijuana cure" had anything to do with the curing of the brain cancer. Is there any research being done into it that conclusively proves it does or what?

Yes, alot of people have studied it and they seem confident marijuana can certain forms of cure cancer, the big problem is getting funding and getting legal permission to have enough marijuana to do proper testing

The study concluded that via the same biochemical process THC could terminate multiple types of cancers, affecting various cells in the body. Other studies have shown that cannabinoids may work by various mechanisms, including inhibiting cell growth, inducing cell death, and inhibiting tumor metastasis.

What is amazing is that while cannabinoids effectively target and kill cancerous cells, they do not affect healthy, normal cells and may actually protect them against cellular death. Moreover, cannabinoids are also researched for their pain-modulation and anti-inflammatory abilities as they bind to special receptors in the brain, much like opioid derivatives that are commonly prescribed today.

http://www.naturalnews.com/033757_cannab..._cure.html

Thats interesting. I can't find another source that confirms this. You would of thought that would be more heavily publicized on bigger sites and news programs considering the importance behind it.
Why isn't it?

[Shell B]

Interestingly, marijuana can help with asthma, because it acts in the same way as inhalers do by opening up the breathing passages. However, it is a double-edged sword because the smoke makes you cough, if you smoke it. There is some doubt as to whether the effects of even vaporized marijuana are worth it for asthma sufferers who do not like to get high.

http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/hemp...shkin1.htm