Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: April 27, 2024, 9:39 am

Thread Rating:
  • 1 Vote(s) - 5 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
God commands child sacrifice (not Isaac story)
#41
RE: God commands child sacrifice (not Isaac story)
(September 25, 2012 at 3:53 pm)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: The verse says nothing about sacrificing to "other gods"! That's only found in your translation. It's not in the text.

I agree with you Tegh, in the Swedish translation of the bible is absolutely clear that it is the god of the desert who wants the Israelites to sacrifice for his sake, not other gods.
When I was young, there was a god with infinite power protecting me. Is there anyone else who felt that way? And was sure about it? but the first time I fell in love, I was thrown down - or maybe I broke free - and I bade farewell to God and became human. Now I don't have God's protection, and I walk on the ground without wings, but I don't regret this hardship. I want to live as a person. -Arina Tanemura

Reply
#42
RE: God commands child sacrifice (not Isaac story)
Next thing you know, Drich will start quoting VeggieTales episodes as authoritative.
My ignore list




"The lord doesn't work in mysterious ways, but in ways that are indistinguishable from his nonexistence."
-- George Yorgo Veenhuyzen quoted by John W. Loftus in The End of Christianity (p. 103).
Reply
#43
RE: God commands child sacrifice (not Isaac story)
Oh don't worry, he might not have to go to such extremes just yet. My bible is written in the wrong language/mistranslated/I'm not old/qualified/clever enough to 'interpret' the bible. Incoming in 3.. 2.. 1.. Tongue
When I was young, there was a god with infinite power protecting me. Is there anyone else who felt that way? And was sure about it? but the first time I fell in love, I was thrown down - or maybe I broke free - and I bade farewell to God and became human. Now I don't have God's protection, and I walk on the ground without wings, but I don't regret this hardship. I want to live as a person. -Arina Tanemura

Reply
#44
RE: God commands child sacrifice (not Isaac story)
(September 25, 2012 at 3:43 pm)Drich Wrote:
(September 25, 2012 at 3:06 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: Drich - we act on those that we see or are reported, regardless of who the poster is. If we don't see it, we can't act on it.
lol, do you have selective vision or am I the only one being ratted out? If so doesn't that confirm my martyer status eitherway?

No, you have selective vision. I can certainly go through the reported posts and link you to several that have been redacted recently. I'd rather not, because it's a lot of manual work, but if you want to really, really want to be proven wrong, I will when I have an hour or so to spare.

It is true that we don't get all of them (and no one has ever claimed that we do), but no one is being singled out, either individually or by creed. We don't mod edit them if they aren't noticed or reported (duh), and we don't mod edit them if there's no evidence other than intuition that it's a copypasta outside fair use and what is customary here (e.g. a short paragraph or two along with a reference).

By all means, if you see any that violate our guidelines, feel free to report them along with a link to the source material if it's not present in the post. If it turns out to be a copypasta that violates our rules, it will get fixed.

I'll note that if you don't bother to report issues when you see them, then you really have little room to complain when they aren't addressed. We don't get paid enough to go looking for violations. Derp.



Edited to add:

Spent 5 minutes looking through a few old reports. Yeah, dude, it's just you.

https://atheistforums.org/thread-14617-p...#pid331913
http://atheistforums.org/thread-14812-po...#pid337001

P.S. Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition.
Reply
#45
RE: God commands child sacrifice (not Isaac story)
@ Tegh, I was going to bring the same verses to the argument that Undeceived has, since he has no need to post them. I used the NASB and it is a very strong translation and it states the same things. Studying the Bible does consist of relating verses, you did it, and yet you condemn Undeceived of doing the same thing. What you need to do, stand up to your own standards, or get rid of the verses from one of the two books you used and start your argument over. Why do you not condemn Price for doing the same thing... oh! I know you did not sincerely listen to him, he gave you what seemed to be a contradiction in scripture and you ran with it, you've made yourself look foolish in this. So start over with one verse and we will just ignore you for bringing foolish thought to an argument or allow everyone to play on an even field.
Undeceived is correct in his presentation, you are to embarrassed to admit he has corrected Price and popped your little bubble.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
Reply
#46
RE: God commands child sacrifice (not Isaac story)
(September 26, 2012 at 12:02 am)Godschild Wrote: @ Tegh, I was going to bring the same verses to the argument that Undeceived has, since he has no need to post them. I used the NASB and it is a very strong translation and it states the same things. Studying the Bible does consist of relating verses, you did it, and yet you condemn Undeceived of doing the same thing. What you need to do, stand up to your own standards, or get rid of the verses from one of the two books you used and start your argument over. Why do you not condemn Price for doing the same thing... oh! I know you did not sincerely listen to him, he gave you what seemed to be a contradiction in scripture and you ran with it, you've made yourself look foolish in this. So start over with one verse and we will just ignore you for bringing foolish thought to an argument or allow everyone to play on an even field.
Undeceived is correct in his presentation, you are to embarrassed to admit he has corrected Price and popped your little bubble.

No, what Undecieved was doing was taking a whole bunch of verses and saying "well, if the majority of verses is saying one thing then the minority of these verses that say another are really saying what the majority is saying."

Undecieved's agenda assumes inerrancy. If one or two verses contradict what a bunch of other verses says, then it just must be an illusion and we should read those minority of verses in a way that harmonizes with the majority. That's his (and yours) reasoning.
My ignore list




"The lord doesn't work in mysterious ways, but in ways that are indistinguishable from his nonexistence."
-- George Yorgo Veenhuyzen quoted by John W. Loftus in The End of Christianity (p. 103).
Reply
#47
RE: God commands child sacrifice (not Isaac story)
(September 26, 2012 at 12:47 am)teaearlgreyhot Wrote:
(September 26, 2012 at 12:02 am)Godschild Wrote: @ Tegh, I was going to bring the same verses to the argument that Undeceived has, since he has no need to post them. I used the NASB and it is a very strong translation and it states the same things. Studying the Bible does consist of relating verses, you did it, and yet you condemn Undeceived of doing the same thing. What you need to do, stand up to your own standards, or get rid of the verses from one of the two books you used and start your argument over. Why do you not condemn Price for doing the same thing... oh! I know you did not sincerely listen to him, he gave you what seemed to be a contradiction in scripture and you ran with it, you've made yourself look foolish in this. So start over with one verse and we will just ignore you for bringing foolish thought to an argument or allow everyone to play on an even field.
Undeceived is correct in his presentation, you are to embarrassed to admit he has corrected Price and popped your little bubble.

No, what Undecieved was doing was taking a whole bunch of verses and saying "well, if the majority of verses is saying one thing then the minority of these verses that say another are really saying what the majority is saying."

Undecieved's agenda assumes inerrancy. If one or two verses contradict what a bunch of other verses says, then it just must be an illusion and we should read those minority of verses in a way that harmonizes with the majority. That's his (and yours) reasoning.

No it's not you are now trying to avoid what is obviously right, and why, because it makes you obviously wrong, you gather info from the net without studying it for yourself, big mistake. You put your intelligence on the line because someone like Price runs his mouth without studying scriptures in a formal manner, and you are the one that looks like a dolt because he has an agenda to spread at any cost.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
Reply
#48
RE: God commands child sacrifice (not Isaac story)
(September 26, 2012 at 2:04 am)Godschild Wrote: ...
No it's not you are now trying to avoid what is obviously right, and why, because it makes you obviously wrong, you gather info from the net without studying it for yourself, big mistake. You put your intelligence on the line because someone like Price runs his mouth without studying scriptures in a formal manner, and you are the one that looks like a dolt because he has an agenda to spread at any cost.

Just stop your ad hominem vomiting and address my arguments.

Why is the Ezekiel passage not about child sacrifice?
My ignore list




"The lord doesn't work in mysterious ways, but in ways that are indistinguishable from his nonexistence."
-- George Yorgo Veenhuyzen quoted by John W. Loftus in The End of Christianity (p. 103).
Reply
#49
RE: God commands child sacrifice (not Isaac story)
(September 26, 2012 at 2:12 am)teaearlgreyhot Wrote:
(September 26, 2012 at 2:04 am)Godschild Wrote: ...
No it's not you are now trying to avoid what is obviously right, and why, because it makes you obviously wrong, you gather info from the net without studying it for yourself, big mistake. You put your intelligence on the line because someone like Price runs his mouth without studying scriptures in a formal manner, and you are the one that looks like a dolt because he has an agenda to spread at any cost.

Just stop your ad hominem vomiting and address my arguments.

Why is the Ezekiel passage not about child sacrifice?

I told you that Undeceived answered that question before I got back on the forum, however if you must hear the same explanation I'll give you my version.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
Reply
#50
RE: God commands child sacrifice (not Isaac story)
Go ahead. Considering I already addressed Undecieved's arguments, it will be interesting (amusing?) to read what you say. Be sure to address the scholarship I referenced here http://atheistforums.org/thread-14973-po...#pid341173
My ignore list




"The lord doesn't work in mysterious ways, but in ways that are indistinguishable from his nonexistence."
-- George Yorgo Veenhuyzen quoted by John W. Loftus in The End of Christianity (p. 103).
Reply



Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  ex-minister of secretive sect, admits to child sex abuse zebo-the-fat 1 178 January 28, 2024 at 10:58 am
Last Post: BrianSoddingBoru4
  Still Angry about Abraham and Isaac zwanzig 29 1994 October 1, 2023 at 7:58 pm
Last Post: LinuxGal
  Get your story straight LinuxGal 1 951 November 29, 2022 at 5:26 am
Last Post: BrianSoddingBoru4
  [Serious] The Story John 6IX Breezy 115 9887 November 21, 2022 at 12:39 am
Last Post: Paleophyte
  What do Catholics think of Frollo from "Hunchback of Notre Dame" story? Woah0 2 626 August 26, 2022 at 9:46 am
Last Post: arewethereyet
Thumbs Down The story of Noah' s Ark - or - God is dumber than you. onlinebiker 75 6941 September 24, 2021 at 5:53 pm
Last Post: BrianSoddingBoru4
  The ridiculous story of the temptation of Jesus Simon Moon 24 2595 March 4, 2021 at 6:05 am
Last Post: GUBU
  angel story video form Drich 107 10303 April 23, 2020 at 11:30 am
Last Post: Drich
  The Jesus story has details that is most definitely made up i just realized!!! android17ak47 126 9121 October 12, 2019 at 2:47 pm
Last Post: Abaddon_ire
  Pope Francis condemns child sex abuse and Church cover-ups zebo-the-fat 23 3627 August 20, 2018 at 5:33 pm
Last Post: GUBU



Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)