Ask, Seek, Knock

[System of Solace]

Then why do ANY of You expect this from God? Understand Ath-tard, as you are not God is NOT Your Father, as such He bears no responsiablity in seeking your hateful heart out. As it is Now You are a goat, a weed, a tare. You are an undesireable to God. You are that bastard kid who hates the father and family in your story.

And God created him that way, Christfag.

[Brian37]

And somehow Drich knows that if God doesn't answer you, you haven't tried hard enough. It's a "you tried loving God and it didn't work? liar" kind of thing.

What you have stated involves work, that's you doing something for your salvation, it does not work that way (no pun intended). Drich like myself understand that sincerity is the key, a desire to see God's truth.

Ok, I sincerly KNOW that virgin births are bullshit because of DNA and I sincerly KNOW that humans do not survive rigor mortis. Just like you know that you wont get 72 virgins if you slam planes into buildings.

Not my fault you fell for a comic book delusion. I cant help you if you "sincerely" believe that bullshit.

People once "sincerely" believed the sun was a god. Muslims "sincerely" believe that Allah is the one true god. People "sincerely" believe that the moon landing was faked. Some people "sincerly" believe that Oujia boards work. Some people "sincerly" believe in voodoo.

Your sincerity only means that you want to believe it no matter what. But lots of people in our evolution over the past 500,000 years "sincerely" believed bullshit.

A scam artist will sell you snake oil and call it a cure all. Stage magicians were mostly con artists when they were popular.The honest ones call themselves illusionists. Most people today when they see that woman sawed in half know it is a trick, even if they don't know how the trick was preformed.

You have merely fallen for your own desires. You want that mental delusion to be more than your own credulity but it is nothing more than a mental sugar pill. The magician is YOU scaming your own brain into buying into your own immagination.

[Godscreated]

What you have stated involves work, that's you doing something for your salvation, it does not work that way (no pun intended). Drich like myself understand that sincerity is the key, a desire to see God's truth.

......that's exactly what I said. Drich claims that even in cases of people that ARE sincere, they are "not sincere enough". He claims to know more than he actually does.

I'm sorry, I did not make what I wrote very clear. The sincerity I stated should have followed the word undying (undying sincerity). A parable by Jesus explains sincerity, "if you knew that a great treasure was buried on a certain piece of property wouldn't you spend everything you had to obtain that property, so that treasure will be your's. The treasure is salvation in this parable."

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What you have stated involves work, that's you doing something for your salvation, it does not work that way (no pun intended). Drich like myself understand that sincerity is the key, a desire to see God's truth.

Ok, I sincerly KNOW that virgin births are bullshit because of DNA and I sincerly KNOW that humans do not survive rigor mortis. Just like you know that you wont get 72 virgins if you slam planes into buildings.

Not my fault you fell for a comic book delusion. I cant help you if you "sincerely" believe that bullshit.

People once "sincerely" believed the sun was a god. Muslims "sincerely" believe that Allah is the one true god. People "sincerely" believe that the moon landing was faked. Some people "sincerly" believe that Oujia boards work. Some people "sincerly" believe in voodoo.

Your sincerity only means that you want to believe it no matter what. But lots of people in our evolution over the past 500,000 years "sincerely" believed bullshit.

A scam artist will sell you snake oil and call it a cure all. Stage magicians were mostly con artists when they were popular.The honest ones call themselves illusionists. Most people today when they see that woman sawed in half know it is a trick, even if they don't know how the trick was preformed.

You have merely fallen for your own desires. You want that mental delusion to be more than your own credulity but it is nothing more than a mental sugar pill. The magician is YOU scaming your own brain into buying into your own immagination.

Something you should know about me, I am skeptical by nature, I do not let anything or anyone into my world very easily. It is of coarse up to you whether you believe this. Many that know me would tell you I question much, my pastor would tell you this.

[Brian37]

......that's exactly what I said. Drich claims that even in cases of people that ARE sincere, they are "not sincere enough". He claims to know more than he actually does.

I'm sorry, I did not make what I wrote very clear. The sincerity I stated should have followed the word undying (undying sincerity). A parable by Jesus explains sincerity, "if you knew that a great treasure was buried on a certain piece of property wouldn't you spend everything you had to obtain that property, so that treasure will be your's. The treasure is salvation in this parable."

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Ok, I sincerly KNOW that virgin births are bullshit because of DNA and I sincerly KNOW that humans do not survive rigor mortis. Just like you know that you wont get 72 virgins if you slam planes into buildings.

Not my fault you fell for a comic book delusion. I cant help you if you "sincerely" believe that bullshit.

People once "sincerely" believed the sun was a god. Muslims "sincerely" believe that Allah is the one true god. People "sincerely" believe that the moon landing was faked. Some people "sincerly" believe that Oujia boards work. Some people "sincerly" believe in voodoo.

Your sincerity only means that you want to believe it no matter what. But lots of people in our evolution over the past 500,000 years "sincerely" believed bullshit.

A scam artist will sell you snake oil and call it a cure all. Stage magicians were mostly con artists when they were popular.The honest ones call themselves illusionists. Most people today when they see that woman sawed in half know it is a trick, even if they don't know how the trick was preformed.

You have merely fallen for your own desires. You want that mental delusion to be more than your own credulity but it is nothing more than a mental sugar pill. The magician is YOU scaming your own brain into buying into your own immagination.

Something you should know about me, I am skeptical by nature, I do not let anything or anyone into my world very easily. It is of coarse up to you whether you believe this. Many that know me would tell you I question much, my pastor would tell you this.

Yet you have a very insulting quote in your sig.

Here is the problem, I am not insulted by the sig because you quote it. It is insulting because you have no fucking evidence of a heaven or hell. And what is more insulting to me is that you fail to see why it should insult you as well.

You don't question your pastor any more than you quesiton the fictional god you fell for. Questioning to you is not about going where the evidence leads, questioning to you is about looking for a justification.

There is a huge difference between finding an ecuse and finding facts. You look for excuses.

[Cinjin]

Now would you do the same for someone elses bastard spawn who hates you undermines everything you do, who wishes ill on your family, curses your children personally, and leads others to do so as well? Would you risk your life for and provide for someone who has killed one of your kids? Would you consider this kid your son even after you look past all of the transgressions this bastard committed against you and your family (the death of your only son) And yet he still hated and lashed out at you every single chance he got?

Sorry pal, doesn't work that way. You don't get to have it both ways. By your own words you pretentious fuck, god SACRIFICED himself ... I certainly didn't kill him ... nobody did. In fact by saying that we killed him, takes away his entire "sacrifice." So you can shove that bull shit you're sellin.

No?!?!?!?! hock: what's that you say you could not consider this rotten kid your son???

Of course I wouldn't, but then again, I NEVER MADE THE FUCKING CLAIM THAT I WAS. Your god and all your fellow christards did that. Heavenly father my ass!

Then why do ANY of You expect this from God? Understand Ath-tard, as you are not God is NOT Your Father, as such He bears no responsiablity in seeking your hateful heart out. As it is Now You are a goat, a weed, a tare. You are an undesireable to God. You are that bastard kid who hates the father and family in your story.

First of all sheep, I'm not an atheist, so if you want to steal my insults of your religion by making use of the word "tard" please at least do it correctly. Secondly, learn to use a fucking spell check. Thirdly, and most importantly, I was a christian for nearly 20 years. I know good and goddamn well that the term "father" is often used to describe your god as simply the creator of all things ... ergo, "father." You pick and choose what terms mean what when and where so as to manipulate your side like the filthy apologist you are.

Even so the Father in this story has made away for you to redeem yourself if you want to be welcomed as a son. But, understand this He will not do any more than what has already been done for you. How much more could you possiable expect? It cost Him His Son to provide you this one oppertunity. He has gone more than half way to meet you. The Ath-tard who killed His Only Son who demands to still be chased after like a son!

I demand nothing of your god you lying piece of shit! I don't demand things of your god any more than I demand things of Allah, Shiva, Ganesha, Oden or any other false god. My only point was that you keep shooting off your mouth about how this being that supposedly loves the whole world enough to kill off his own son (or himself, or whatever) makes us ask, seek, knock, search around in the dark cause he loves himself. Tell your silly god if he loves us so much to do what any decent being would do ... just show the fuck up and stop playing games.

oh thats right, you can't ... he isn't real.

[Minimalist]

9 “So I say to you: Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 10 For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.

So, Drippy...apparently your god is a fucking liar. According to what your special pal jesus is alleged to have said the answer is never "no."

What religion is it you claim to be? You sure as fuck don't seem to be a devotee of this jesus fellow.

[Ryantology]

Now would you do the same for someone elses bastard spawn who hates you undermines everything you do, who wishes ill on your family, curses your children personally, and leads others to do so as well? Would you risk your life for and provide for someone who has killed one of your kids? Would you consider this kid your son even after you look past all of the transgressions this bastard committed against you and your family (the death of your only son) And yet he still hated and lashed out at you every single chance he got?

If I was an absentee father who took zero initiative to play an active role in my son's upbringing, I really can't be surprised that he hates me when my other kids blame him for the shitty relationship between us.

A parable by Jesus explains sincerity, "if you knew that a great treasure was buried on a certain piece of property wouldn't you spend everything you had to obtain that property, so that treasure will be your's. The treasure is salvation in this parable."

If I knew for sure that the treasure was there? Yeah, maybe. But what kind of retard would risk all they have on such a proposal entirely on the basis of an unsubstantiated promise?

[Drich]

God made us flawed on purpose. Any complaints he has with us 'sinning' are his own fault. He should take responsibility for deliberately messing us up.

HE DID! What do you think sending His Son to Die on a Cross was all about?

It is Redemption for those of us who want it.

[ThomM]

I have used the Term: Ask, Seek, and Knock A/S/K and the verses in Luke 11 to describe the start point of Christianity in several threads now. Does everyone understand this principle fully? Do you know what you are A/S/K for and you do you what that looks like when you get what you A/S/K for? Do you know what to do with it when you got it?
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IF you have to be TOLD what to ASK for - what is the use of asking?

Prayer is meaningless. WE have nothing to ask for
WE do not need to be saved - we have already been saved from the nonsense of religion.

IT is YOU who are attempting to say that something happens when you pray - and yet - study after study -when done in statistically significant groups - show no EFFECT of prayer beyond that of chance.

And since it doesn't work =- the problem is thaT YOU do not know enough to leave religion BECAUSE YOU NEVER GET ANYTHING.

IF you do not agree - then set up a trial - with a statistically significant group of people - let us use ALL of the Veterans who have lost a limb in battle. Get a group of YOUR best believers together and pray that their limbs be restored - regrown - with real HUMAN limbs - so they do not need prosthesis.

IT NEVER happens - because gods are imaginary - and your religion is nonsense

[Faith No More]

It cost Him His Son to provide you this one oppertunity

Hypothetically of course, how did it cost god anything if Jesus is sitting up in heaven with him right now?