Failed Biblical Prophecies

[Darkstar]

So, the Ask, Seek, Knock thread was getting seriously derailed and Drich asked me to start a new thread, so here I am. Some biblical prophecies predict that something will happen, and others that it will not. Oftentimes, we are told that the reason the prophecy has not been fulfilled is that he haven't waited long enough. The rapture is probably the most well known prophecy of this kind. However, when a prophecy says that something will not happen, the prophecy is putting itself in hot water. Just as you can wait millenia for a prophecy to be fulfilled, you can do the same in reverse, waiting for a negative prophecy to be disproven. Then there a prophecies that things will happen at a certain time and they do not. This thread is not reserved exclusively for 'prophecies', per se, but for any supposedly divine claim that has been refuted.
For example:

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Joshua 3:7-10 And the Lord said to Joshua, “Today I will begin to exalt you in the eyes of all Israel, so they may know that I am with you as I was with Moses. 8 Tell the priests who carry the ark of the covenant: ‘When you reach the edge of the Jordan’s waters, go and stand in the river.’”

9 Joshua said to the Israelites, “Come here and listen to the words of the Lord your God. 10 This is how you will know that the living God is among you and that he will certainly drive out before you the Canaanites, Hittites, Hivites, Perizzites, Girgashites, Amorites and Jebusites.

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Joshua 15:63 Judah could not dislodge the Jebusites, who were living in Jerusalem; to this day the Jebusites live there with the people of Judah.

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Here, god states "Today I will begin to exalt you in the eyes of all Israel, so they may know that I am with you as I was with Moses." In other words, god is with him. Then god says "This is how you will know that the living God is among you and that he will certainly drive out before you the Canaanites, Hittites, Hivites, Perizzites, Girgashites, Amorites and Jebusites." Therefore, if god is with them, these peoples will be driven out. But then it goes on to say "Judah could not dislodge the Jebusites, who were living in Jerusalem; to this day the Jebusites live there with the people of Judah." There are only three possibilites: god lied to him and was not with him; god was incapable of stopping the Jebusites; or this is a biblical contradiction.

Well, we can rule out god's failure as he is omnipotent and could not possibly fail at anything. As for god's lying:

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Hebrews 6:18 18 God did this so that, by two unchangeable things in which it is impossible for God to lie, we who have fled to take hold of the hope set before us may be greatly encouraged.

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Numbers 23:19-20 19 God is not human, that he should lie,
not a human being, that he should change his mind.
Does he speak and then not act?
Does he promise and not fulfill?
20 I have received a command to bless;
he has blessed, and I cannot change it.

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So god lying is out of the question. Therefore, the only remaining choice is that this is a contradiction.

[YahwehIsTheWay]

[Darkstar]

[Minimalist]

[Drich]

[Minimalist]

Because God's promise was honored in every other region with every other tribe in which the promise of Aberham did not appply.

Of course, archaeology has shown otherwise but I know facts don't even slow an asshole like you down, drippy.


I always liked this one.

19 “This is what the Sovereign LORD says: When I make you a desolate city, like cities no longer inhabited, and when I bring the ocean depths over you and its vast waters cover you, 20 then I will bring you down with those who go down to the pit, to the people of long ago. I will make you dwell in the earth below, as in ancient ruins, with those who go down to the pit, and you will not return or take your place in the land of the living. 21 I will bring you to a horrible end and you will be no more. You will be sought, but you will never again be found, declares the Sovereign LORD.” -- Ezekiel 26 "The prophecy against Tyre

and.



Modern Tyre - Look....it has a mosque and everything!

Looks like "god" ( the so-called Soveriengn LORD ) fucked up.

[Darkstar]

So what you're saying is that god had already promised the Jebusites protection? Then why did he say they would conquer the Jebusites? And why does the second passage say "Judah could not dislodge the Jebusites", as in it was impossible, rather than that he didn't try?

[YahwehIsTheWay]

Legos? Wow...
I guess god not being omnipotent explains why he doesn't have the ability to exist.

He wasn't omnipotent back then. You see, when Yahweh got started as just a volcano god of some obscure wandering tribe, one of many in a pantheon, He was powerful but with limited abilities. Eventually, He pulled himself up by His bootstraps to become the only one in His pantheon.

Genesis 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

The Lord needed a breather. I forget which verse it is but I remember reading later in the OT how Yahweh recounts that He was "refreshed".

The Bible later declares Yahweh is as mighty as a unicorn.

Numbers 23:22 God brought them out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn.

Unicorns (or "wild ox" in the more modern translations) are powerful but not omnipotent.

Over time, he leveled up and got more and more powerful as a god until finally becoming omnipotent in the NT.

Revelation 19:6 The Lord God omnipotent reigneth.

I guess omnipotence is something you get as a 20th level god.

(And I'm not blind, I know you're a sock poe of Tiberius...though I can't remember where I read you were Tiberius)

BUZZZZZZZ! WRONG! But I'm flattered.

[Darkstar]

[Drich]

Because God's promise was honored in every other region with every other tribe in which the promise of Aberham did not appply.

Of course, archaeology has shown otherwise but I know facts don't even slow an asshole like you down, drippy.


I always liked this one.

19 “This is what the Sovereign LORD says: When I make you a desolate city, like cities no longer inhabited, and when I bring the ocean depths over you and its vast waters cover you, 20 then I will bring you down with those who go down to the pit, to the people of long ago. I will make you dwell in the earth below, as in ancient ruins, with those who go down to the pit, and you will not return or take your place in the land of the living. 21 I will bring you to a horrible end and you will be no more. You will be sought, but you will never again be found, declares the Sovereign LORD.” -- Ezekiel 26 "The prophecy against Tyre

and.



Modern Tyre - Look....it has a mosque and everything!

Looks like "god" ( the so-called Soveriengn LORD ) fucked up.

Look at your picture a little more closly minnie. To me it seems like God's word is being proved here. For in the Foreground we see the ruins of the 'city' in which Ezekial spoke. It remains desolate. God did not curse the ground of tyre where no one could ever dewell on the grounds ever again (like He did with Eden or Sodom and Gormorrah.) He cursed the actual city and the people who lived there. Again it looks to me by your own pic that no one of that time is left alive nor is their anyone living in the orginal city ezk spoke of. So what part of the phophesy tickles your fancy so?