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| Poll: What does religion know about god? (for theists) This poll is closed. |
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| My particular sect is correct. | 2 | 13.33% | |
| My religion is correct, but I don't know about any particular sect. | 1 | 6.67% | |
| No existing religion is correct in its interpretation of god. | 11 | 73.33% | |
| We all worship the same god under different names. | 1 | 6.67% | |
| Total | 15 vote(s) | 100% | |
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Why Yahweh? (Or Allah, or Zeus, etc.)
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I personally like Horus more than Jesus and find it more logical to follow the original Ten Commandments found in the Book of the Dead at least 300 years prior to the Jewish tradition.
Book of the Dead: "I have done away sin for thee and not acted fraudulently or deceitfully. I have not belittled God. I have not inflicted pain or caused another to weep. I have not murdered or given such an order. I have not used false balances or scales. I have not purloined (held back) the offerings to the gods. I have not stolen. I have not uttered lies or curses." Exodus 20:7-16: "Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain....Thou shalt not kill. Thou shalt not commit adultery...Thou shalt not bear false witness against they neighbor..." 6,7 http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_10cl.htm "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" ~ Aristotle
 RE: Why Yahweh? (Or Allah, or Zeus, etc.)
October 23, 2012 at 9:42 pm
(This post was last modified: October 23, 2012 at 9:42 pm by Mystic.)
(April 13, 1974 at 12:26 pm)genkaus Wrote: Except, as we have seen, currently the best "organization" in teh society does not stem from any religion but from the principles of secularism. That's what you believe (and I personally do agree) but Muslims believe Islamic laws to be applied by government are superior to secular laws. You are of course attacking the conclusion. However, you don't show what premise you disagree with that leads to the conclusion? Is it that humans know how to organize society better then God? Quote:a) If that morality is dependent on god then its not objective morality and How does that work? But anyways, irrelevant, due to the fact whether morality needs God or not, God knows (objective) morality and can provide best guidance of it. Quote:b) If any morality is to be found to be objective, then then it must be found so by reasoned discourse - not divine command. Ethics is the domain of philosophy, not religion. Isn't this circular, I provide an argument that shows divine command/religious guidance in ethics, and you simply state something that attacks the conclusion, rather then addressing the argument? Of course I do agree with your conclusion, but it seems circular as opposed to addressing the argument. Quote:Except, the existence of so many religions would mean that he is extremely poor at communicating. Why would that be? Islam for example assumes religions were mostly originally founded on revelations from God but got corrupted. What does humans corrupting revelations have to do with God being bad communicator? Anyways, whether he did good job communicating or not, is not addressing the argument. What's the flaw in the argument. You can't simply attack the conclusion, without showing why the premises don't lead to it or which premise that factors in leading to it, is wrong. 
I believe this may require some clarification. For the sake of argument in this thread, we will assume that exactly one theistic religion is correct, and that a god does exist, but we do not know which. What I mean to ask is why do you (theists) believe that the evidence shows it is your god. Keeping in mind that it is very likely that many religions make similar claims to your own.
RE: Why Yahweh? (Or Allah, or Zeus, etc.)
October 23, 2012 at 10:03 pm
(This post was last modified: October 23, 2012 at 10:06 pm by Mystic.)
(October 23, 2012 at 9:58 pm)Darkstar Wrote: I believe this may require some clarification. For the sake of argument in this thread, we will assume that exactly one theistic religion is correct, and that a god does exist, but we do not know which. What I mean to ask is why do you (theists) believe that the evidence shows it is your god. Keeping in mind that it is very likely that many religions make similar claims to your own. The Islamic argument goes on the lines of this: Quran is unique, and has remain so, despite challenging all of humanity to bring a chapter like it. The only rational explanation to this, is that it's of divine origin. The Christian argument is more anecdotal: The Bible is inspired by God. The holy spirit can make you recognize it's inspiration is from God. Receiving the holy spirit is possible, if one sincerely seeks God/the light.
So, on what grounds would a Muslim or Christian demonstrate that their reasoning was more valid than the other's? (Not addressed to anyone in particular)
 Quote:The Islamic argument goes on the lines of this: One thing is obvious. They are both equally absurd. (October 23, 2012 at 10:15 pm)Darkstar Wrote: So, on what grounds would a Muslim or Christian demonstrate that their reasoning was more valid than the other's? (Not addressed to anyone in particular) The Christian can't demonstrate it, it's the job of God/holy spirit and the person to seek the light/God. It's anecdotal. The Islamic claim seems to be problematic, because the line of reasoning doesn't seem to be obvious to everyone. However, they can claim it's only insincere people who won't recognize the reasoning. |
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