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RE: How Christians and there god sound to me.
November 25, 2012 at 8:14 pm
Which ones? Care to elaborate?
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RE: How Christians and there god sound to me.
November 25, 2012 at 8:21 pm
I don't have to elaborate... You know what they are...
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RE: How Christians and there god sound to me.
November 26, 2012 at 7:52 am
(November 25, 2012 at 4:14 pm)catfish Wrote: (November 25, 2012 at 7:30 am)Gooders1002 Wrote: This has nothing to do with research, this is the impression I am getting from Xians, because I know there are xians who don't believe most of those points, I was seeing how many xians would say yes I believe the points or no I don't. I was seeing how sane religious people really are, and you sound sane enough.
It has everything to do with research. You believe what people tell you, I get that. I however, do NOT believe everything I see and hear.
If you can't do your own research, then how do you know if the points are true or not??? Are you just trollin'?
Yes I can do my own research, and no I am not trolling. The 9 points are common things I have heard Christians say on this forum and around the internet. Also the " how do you know if the points are true or not?" bit is why I am asking YOU!!!!. I want you to tell me if they're right or wrong and correct me, I want to know if you really believe them and if they're accurate or not. I want to see things from your eyes that not been corrupted by somebody else with their own goals and your view on those points, That's the whole point of the thread. Do you get it now? Or do I have to do a complete essay on what thread was about?
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RE: How Christians and there god sound to me.
November 27, 2012 at 2:17 am
Double kudos for trying Gooders...but it seems that the theists have no fucking idea why they do what they do..."Master just says so"
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RE: How Christians and there god sound to me.
November 27, 2012 at 4:27 am
(November 26, 2012 at 7:52 am)Gooders1002 Wrote: Yes I can do my own research, and no I am not trolling. The 9 points are common things I have heard Christians say on this forum and around the internet. Also the " how do you know if the points are true or not?" bit is why I am asking YOU!!!!. I want you to tell me if they're right or wrong and correct me, I want to know if you really believe them and if they're accurate or not. I want to see things from your eyes that not been corrupted by somebody else with their own goals and your view on those points, That's the whole point of the thread. Do you get it now? Or do I have to do a complete essay on what thread was about?
I know exactly what your intention of this thread was/is. You were hoping to ridicule Christians and call them crazy...
But here we are, you are still implying that those 9 points are believed by Christians and I'm here telling you to do you own research. I'm gonna assume that you believe those 9 points come from the Bible as Christians seem to be your target, am I correct in that assumption?
So, back to your point #3...
"3. He only allows those who follow him without question to experience bliss and there rest get eternal punishment."
If you believe everything you've been told and/or read the Bible only in it's English translation, I understand why you and others would believe that. However, if you question everything and actually read the Bible for yourself, I think (hope) that you will find inconsistencies in that interpretation.
Case in point #1: The Greek word that was translated to "eternal" is aeon (ion). which means "an age", an unspecified amount of time that was usually refering to an astrological "age" (age of Aquarius, etc.). The Greek word that is the closest match to "eternal" is aidios which was never used as a description for punishment.
Case in point #2: The parable of the good Samaritan, the fact that Yeshua told his followers that a Roman centurian had more faith than all of them and The book of Romans 1 and 2 show that one does NOT have to be a "believer" to gain eternal life and should disprove your point #3 about "only" unquestioning believers receiving bliss...
Case in point #3: You say "without question", but the bible instructs the reader to seek the truth, to prove all things and to love God with all your mind. Does that sound like "without question" to you???
So there you have it... One point, and a whole sheetload of research for you to pursue... I'm more than happy to discuss your other points with you, but first I ask that you actually research what I said and come to own conclusion regarding what is actually written instead of relying on "most Christians" for your answers.. Before I do that though, I want your opinion of your own point #3, sound fair?
And for the record, in case you haven't seen some of my threads, I'll give you a "heads up" about some of my beliefs...
1. Jesus is NOT my savior and is NOT God...
2. I don't believe in hell...
3. Sacrifices, both animal and human, are sick and demented...
4. The Bible is NOT "infallible" and actually predicts it's own corruption...
5. God's "law" is written on the hearts of all men (YOUR conscience)...
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RE: How Christians and there god sound to me.
November 27, 2012 at 7:27 am
(November 27, 2012 at 4:27 am)catfish Wrote: I know exactly what your intention of this thread was/is. You were hoping to ridicule Christians and call them crazy... No wrong, My intention was to see who is the crazy ones and who was the sain ones and I can no intention to ridicule anybody. All I wanted to a simple yes I believe point 1 or no I don't which you seem not do have gotten. It's nice to see a Christian do research and not take it blindly (unlike most). But it seems you can't decipher my original point, and I did not need a lecture about your believes I want a simple YES or NO answer (with a brief explanation of why to believe that point or not), Also I want to know the personal views on the 9 points not the majority views. What part of this don't you get?
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Know more about the world than I knew yesterday and lessen the suffering of others. You'd be surprised how far that gets you' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
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RE: How Christians and there god sound to me.
November 27, 2012 at 8:46 am
Quote:Jesus is NOT my savior and is NOT God...
Then technically you aren't a Christian.
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RE: How Christians and there god sound to me.
November 27, 2012 at 8:51 am
(This post was last modified: November 27, 2012 at 9:02 am by Gooders1002.)
(November 27, 2012 at 8:46 am)Kirbmarc Wrote: Quote:Jesus is NOT my savior and is NOT God...
Then technically you aren't a Christian.
agreed, and if your not a Christian, WHY THE HELL DID YOU RESPOND TO THE 9 POINTS?. This thread was about Christians giving there personal views on there own beliefs. I was looking for Christian views Only. -facepalm-
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Know more about the world than I knew yesterday and lessen the suffering of others. You'd be surprised how far that gets you' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
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RE: How Christians and there god sound to me.
November 27, 2012 at 10:19 am
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(November 27, 2012 at 4:27 am)catfish Wrote: Case in point #3: You say "without question", but the bible instructs the reader to seek the truth, to prove all things and to love God with all your mind. Does that sound like "without question" to you???
Does this?
Proverbs 3:5
Trust in the Lord with all your heart
and lean not on your own understanding
In other words, don't think for yourself, just take god's word for it. How is this seeking truth? OR is does definition of seeking truth mean simply asking god for the answer?
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RE: How Christians and there god sound to me.
November 27, 2012 at 11:25 am
(November 27, 2012 at 10:19 am)Darkstar Wrote: (November 27, 2012 at 4:27 am)catfish Wrote: Case in point #3: You say "without question", but the bible instructs the reader to seek the truth, to prove all things and to love God with all your mind. Does that sound like "without question" to you???
Does this?
Proverbs 3:5
Trust in the Lord with all your heart
and lean not on your own understanding
In other words, don't think for yourself, just take god's word for it. How is this seeking truth? OR is does definition of seeking truth mean simply asking god for the answer?
Well, a possible response might go like this:
Proverbs 3 isn't saying "don't ever try to understand things", or "never make judgments/evaluations based on your own understanding". It's talking about what you should fundamentally orient your life around--more like, "Don't think that you've got everything figured out already. Be willing to be changed/lead by the Lord".
“The truth of our faith becomes a matter of ridicule among the infidels if any Catholic, not gifted with the necessary scientific learning, presents as dogma what scientific scrutiny shows to be false.”
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