Questions For You Non Believers

[Ryantology]

Can we expect non-Christians not to live in sin? Absurd. So of course, you don't see a problem. You'd only see it as a problem if you converted the Christianity and realized that sin is condemned.

We don't see it as a problem because, what is the problem? Objectively, what is bad or negative about being an unwed couple, or a homosexual couple, or what have you?

If you are a more clever and contentious Christian, you'll reach for statistics showing correlation between non-traditional couples and bad things of your choosing, ignoring three facts:

1. Most of the same problems can occur to traditional couples.
2. Almost all of the problems which do not apply to traditional couples exist as a result of cultural bias against non-traditional couples.
3. None of it actually proves that one situation is objectively superior to any other.

The simpler sheep of the flock will just resort to "God says so", which is not an answer at all as it explains nothing.

Of course we should be inwardly focused. For instance, I find it disturbing that so many of us are overweight. Maybe put it down to an oversight, but the reality is that many people don't want to acknowledge their own sinful lifestyle. A lifestyle which leads us to be fat is clearly sinful. God destroyed Sodom because the people were fat and lazy, proud and inhospitable:

Ezekiel 16:49-50: 'Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy. They were haughty and did an abomination before me. So I removed them, when I saw it.'

This almost sounds convincing until you remember that God did not spare the poor and needy of Sodom. He murdered them all, and not indiscriminately. Apparently, not one of those poor and needy were considered 'righteous' enough to spare the city on their behalf, or to be spared individually. So, we have more heavenly hypocrisy via the great psychopath in the sky.

So I'm far more concerned about the health of the Church and the Christians, than to concern myself overly with the ways of the world.

Then, what are you doing here?

Some things are certain and some things are not. Get past it.

One certainty is that you worship an ancient myth, fabricated in an ancient age of ignorance and bloodshed. Get past it.

[IATIA]

Why do you push your religion of Atheism on others when there is no evidence that God doesn't exist?

There is no evidence that leprechauns do not exist

There is no evidence that faeries do not exist

There is no evidence that vampires do not exist

There is no evidence that trolls do not exist

There is no evidence that hobgoblins do not exist

There is no evidence that Santa Claus does not exist

There is no evidence that the Easter Bunny does not exist

There is no evidence that the Tooth faerie does not exist

There is no evidence that Pink Unicorns do not exist

There is no evidence that Zeus does not exist

There is no evidence that Ester does not exist

There is no evidence that Hercules does not exist

There is no evidence that Werewolves do not exist

There is no evidence that Zombies do not exist

There is no evidence that Wizards do not exist

There is no evidence that Sirens do not exist

There is no evidence that Shape Shifters do not exist

Etc., etc., etc, ad infinitum.

So I take it that you also believe in all of the above!

[Minimalist]

The whole world lives in sin (obviously)

Only to uptight jesus freaks or whatever other "god" happens to exist in their region of the world.

The rest of us can do fine without any of it.

This "sin" shit is your problem, Danny. Maybe you should try to get over it....and yourself.

[Waratah]

Same thing really.

Nothing to add on gay marriage?

I thought I already made my opinion perfectly clear?

Howabout I explain again, for all those less fortunate individuals who somehow missed it.

The whole world lives in sin (obviously), we know this is true because Jesus tells us so: Mark 2:17: 'And when Jesus heard it, he said to them, “Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. I came not to call the righteous, but sinners.”'

That's a pretty universal concept understood by every Christian, and most of the remainder of the western world too. I have unwed friends that live as couples, who doesn't? They're living in sin. Homosexual relationships are the same thing.

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But, you tell me, they're perfectly natural. True, and as the Jesus clearly says (John 3:6) 'Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.' Paul explains this further (Galatians 5:17) 'For the desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh, for these are opposed to each other, to keep you from doing the things you want to do.'

Can we expect non-Christians not to live in sin? Absurd. So of course, you don't see a problem. You'd only see it as a problem if you converted the Christianity and realized that sin is condemned.

Of course we should be inwardly focused. For instance, I find it disturbing that so many of us are overweight. Maybe put it down to an oversight, but the reality is that many people don't want to acknowledge their own sinful lifestyle. A lifestyle which leads us to be fat is clearly sinful. God destroyed Sodom because the people were fat and lazy, proud and inhospitable:

Ezekiel 16:49-50: 'Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy. They were haughty and did an abomination before me. So I removed them, when I saw it.'

So I'm far more concerned about the health of the Church and the Christians, than to concern myself overly with the ways of the world.

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It is still not clear.
Unwed relationships is sin according to you. Clear
Homosexual relations sin according to you because it is the same as unwed heterosexual couple. Clear sort of, why you might ask is because you have not answered this question.

If a homosexual couple are married is it not a sin just like a married heterosexual couple?

Another question I would like to know whether you are for or against homosexual marriage?

[Cyberman]

The thing is, whenever a person of strong opinion is pressed for details on those opinions, in other words dragged from the general to the specific, all their previous certainty tends to melt away like snow on a sunny day.

Some things are certain and some things are not. Get past it.

Ah no, no, no - I'm not letting you off the hook that easily. You yourself stated that you would much rather have your own world-view than that of Kichi, to which I allied myself since the language you employed was ambiguous. While I can't speak for the lady herself, of course, I would still like to know precisely what that world-view of either Kichi's or atheists in general. For the record, this would be the third time of asking a direct question.

[Angrboda]

[Aractus]

We don't see it as a problem because, what is the problem? Objectively, what is bad or negative about being an unwed couple, or a homosexual couple, or what have you?

The Bible condemns it. That's the only relevant objective fact.

If you are a more clever and contentious Christian, you'll reach for statistics showing correlation between non-traditional couples and bad things of your choosing, ignoring three facts:

1. Most of the same problems can occur to traditional couples.
2. Almost all of the problems which do not apply to traditional couples exist as a result of cultural bias against non-traditional couples.
3. None of it actually proves that one situation is objectively superior to any other.

If I'm more "clever" I'll answer it using science? Nonsense. The science is there, and it is somewhat relevant, but it's certainly not the underlying basis for sin and morality.

This almost sounds convincing until you remember that God did not spare the poor and needy of Sodom. He murdered them all, and not indiscriminately. Apparently, not one of those poor and needy were considered 'righteous' enough to spare the city on their behalf, or to be spared individually. So, we have more heavenly hypocrisy via the great psychopath in the sky.

And maybe you don't remember God going to Sodom at Abraham's instance and not finding any righteous people except for Lot?

One certainty is that you worship an ancient myth, fabricated in an ancient age of ignorance and bloodshed. Get past it.

Who fabricated it and why?

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If a homosexual couple are married is it not a sin just like a married heterosexual couple?

If a man marries a 9-year old and has sex with her it's still wrong. Here's an image to help you:


Muhammad, Aisha and her doll.

Porneia covers "illegal marriages" as well.

Another question I would like to know whether you are for or against homosexual marriage?

Against, clearly.

[Waratah]

If a homosexual couple are married is it not a sin just like a married heterosexual couple?

If a man marries a 9-year old and has sex with her it's still wrong. Here's an image to help you:


Muhammad, Aisha and her doll.

Porneia covers "illegal marriages" as well.

Still not clear. We are not talking about a 9 year old girl. I am talking about adult marriage, sexuality and sin.
A married homosexual couple having sex is wrong? Yes or no included in the answer please, will hopefully help make it clear. Actually just a yes or no answer would make it clear.

I don't give a shit about the new testament. To be married in Australia has not needed the churches for a while now. So your "Porneia" is irrelevant.

[Minimalist]

The Bible condemns it. That's the only relevant objective fact.

I consider your fucking bible irrelevant. Try again.

[Cyberman]

Sounds like my cue:

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Still waiting for an answer, by the way. Take your time. Sometimes words are hard.