Ex Theists

[Edwardo Piet]

But the notion of the Holy Spirit lacks evidence.

(!)

EvF

[Eilonnwy]

only those who have been touched by the holy spirit could fully understand the Bible and without this it didn't make any sense.

As freaky and weird as that sounds I find I am forced to agree with it.

Then God is a dick if he chooses to reveal himself to only certain people and then punishes other people in hell for not believing when he didn't reveal himself.

That's of course if God existed.

I think anyone who thinks they've been touched by the Holy Spirit is delusional.

[Dotard]

I think anyone who thinks they been touched by the Holy Spirit ought to press charges.

[Rhizomorph13]

Dotard,

But what if I liked it? Is there such a thing as eschetonophilia? If so I wish it would immanentize!

Rhizo

[fr0d0]

only those who have been touched by the holy spirit could fully understand the Bible and without this it didn't make any sense.

As freaky and weird as that sounds I find I am forced to agree with it.

Then God is a dick if he chooses to reveal himself to only certain people and then punishes other people in hell for not believing when he didn't reveal himself.

That's of course if God existed.

I think anyone who thinks they've been touched by the Holy Spirit is delusional.

God reveals himself constantly to everyone is my understanding. People choose hell themselves/ you are free to believe it or not.

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Nice one Dotard

[Kyuuketsuki]

How long AFTER ceasing to be a theist do you cease to have comprehension of the theist position you presumably had when you were one?

Well immediately you make the logical step obviously your reasoning shifts.

So you're saying that ceasing to be a Christian is a choice? I hate to tell you this (OK, that's a lie) but most of us didn't choose to be atheists!

Kyu

[fr0d0]

Atheism is the default position. Christianity never is. I grew up without any belief and very little influence. I was, despite exposure at schools etc, clueless about what religion was really about. I concluded what anyone would, that people have expressed many times here. It's only with serious representation of the facts and reasoning for belief that I considered it.

Then, after accepting and believing, I chose not to believe. I didn't suffer personally at all for this decision. My experience was purely intellectual. My perspective on many things immediately changed, and also gradually changed on others.

A couple of years ago when I considered it again I found myself reasoning for Christianity and made a choice to be a Christian again.

[Pippy]

It certainly doesn't feel like a choice to believe in god. I assume it also very much feels too obvious to be a choice not too either (for you guys). But I say it's a choice personally, because I made it be. I can only speak for myself.
-Pip

[Eilonnwy]

God reveals himself constantly to everyone is my understanding. People choose hell themselves/ you are free to believe it or not.

Bullshit. But say it is true, then I still find God to be a dick. Sending people to torture in eternity for not believing is the height of immorality. Your god is an immoral dick.

[Tiberius]

I thought fr0d0 was one of the Christians who didn't believe in Hell...at least not the version that is all "fire and brimstone" and not biblically based.