As a christian, how did you handle the problems with the Tower of Babel?

[Gambit]

Again you have added the commentary. No where even in you perferred version does it say God was worried that they would make it to Heaven. It simply shows a concern God had for the collabertive effort these men would accomplish. (Verse 6 spell the whole thing out for you)

Now if you take what was written and THEN look at what is known now, one can see God was not worried about man building a physical tower to heaven, as 'Heaven" is not a city in the clouds. That forced a thinking mind to stay with in the context of the story itself. In that God's concern was about the collaberation of Man. (As the either account states)

Can you elaborate on why God was concerned? God knows everything and is all powerful, so how can the collaborative efforts of man possibly concern him? Also, if man was attempting to build a tower to heaven, and God knew that they would never make it, wouldn't it make more sense to just let them fail and see the folly of their ways?

[Drich]

Can you elaborate on why God was concerned?

Not biblically no. I can only offer speculation, based on the other times God altered the course of man/the soceities Man builds for himself.

God knows everything and is all powerful, so how can the collaborative efforts of man possibly concern him?

It is Because God knows everything, He makes these course corrections that will allow for the outcome coinsides with His will. Every other time God has influenced or changed the course of man it is to ensure that the Plan of salvation is perserved. (He protects the Jews and more so the line of Christ's fore Fathers.)

Also, if man was attempting to build a tower to heaven, and God knew that they would never make it, wouldn't it make more sense to just let them fail and see the folly of their ways?

When has 'failure' ever stopped us? How many times did we fail before we went to the moon? How many times did we fail before we broke the sound barrier? Again, the purpose was not to stop man from doing these things at all, (witnessed by all of the pictures left by other posters in this thread) it was to put us off a while. (persumably to ensure the plan of salvation would happen the way it did.)

[Minimalist]

(persumably to ensure the plan of salvation would happen the way it did.)

[Angrboda]

I apparently have missed your introduction thread, Brakeman, but have seen your posts and threads about and am greatly encouraged. It's good to have you as a member.

[Brakeman]

I apparently have missed your introduction thread, Brakeman, but have seen your posts and threads about and am greatly encouraged. It's good to have you as a member.

Thank you kindly Apophenia, I'm enjoying the board, but this board's nested theists are wriggly dodgers. Discussions with them, (DRICH & Daniel) have turned into attempts to nail Jello to a board. They don't really seem to want to exchange ideas, their minds are glued shut and they just want to defend their superstitions despite not having any good arguments.

[The Grand Nudger]

It's not their fault that their "Big Book 'O Answers" didn't actually contain any answers. Advertising and marketing law wasn't well developed at the time and this particular product got grandfathered in.

[Brakeman]

So said god as told to DRICH. We call this SPAG. It means "self projection as god."

Let me correct your statement:
So God told DRICH. (Through the bible) We call this READING, What Is On Page without Adding Commentary.

Nope..
If anything, God told a bronze age goat herder who told another herder who could write, who then passed it one to another who copied that one before that original was lost, repeat Ad nauseam, until after several translations later, DRICH reads the script but doesn't directly interpret it in the common vernacular, but instead twists it's meaning more than silly putty to make it say what he wants it to say.

If a bunch of kids were trying to build a tower to reach up onto your roof, and you did something to scuttle their plans by splitting them up and then said that " I had to split these kids apart because together they can accomplish anything they set their sight to", then it is obvious to any non brain dead member of the human race that you were referring to the kids being able to have reached their original objective.

Ah, no. "Accomplishing anything in their sight" refers to far larger and more ambishious projects than a tower that could not exceed 10,000 ft.
Any "projects" that go outside the plan of salvation God has gets 'corrected.' Why do you think God had Israel destroy so many different people?

You have no special insight on what this refers to beyond it's direct reading. You are just SPAG'ing.
God had israel destroy people because the con-men prophets had no idea how to increase vegetable crops or maintain sustainable animal husbandry. They had to invade because they were too stupid and could only acquire sustenance for growth by animalistic killing of neighboring clans.

Why does god use the plural form here? why does he say "Come, let us go down?"

God the Father, God the Son God the Holy Spirit, or any combination of the three. All three or Combination meaning more than one hence the plural form.

So they talk to each other do they? What could one omniscient being tell another that isn't useless dunder-headery?

I wasn't aware that there was a set speed for mankind's development. Do you have any reference for this

Yes!
Genesis 11: 1-9

EW! Using a verse to refer to itself is using perfect circular reasoning. Not a single dent on that ring..

[Drich]

Nope..

Ah, Yes! Because you said:

If anything, God told a bronze age goat herder

"IF" Two little letters that qualify this whole premise. "If God Told anyone," then God wanted it to be known. If God wanted it known, He would have perserved what had been said. (Remember He is God) This has been shown to be true time and time again when we 'find' older examples of the bible than what we currently have, and compare what was written to what we have. (Dead sea Scrolls)

who told another herder who could write, who then passed it one to another who copied that one before that original was lost, repeat Ad nauseam, until after several translations later, DRICH reads the script but doesn't directly interpret it in the common vernacular, but instead twists it's meaning more than silly putty to make it say what he wants it to say.

Do you not understand how the bible was written and subsequently transalted? Do you want a link to help you understand? For it seems you have confused the koran with the bible.

You have no special insight on what this refers to beyond it's direct reading.

What are you talking about? @ 10,000 ft the air becomes to thin to breath, (one has about 2 mins before they black out,) so construction would have to had stopped way short of 10,000 ft. I was being very generous @ 10,000 ft. It is far more likly they could not have built a structure more than 1000 ft high which is 2x's the size of any masionary building in the world. Why? the tensile strength of (any known) the mud baked bricks would not support a structure any taller than that.

Now because Heaven is not located at 10,000 God had nothing to worry about. Therefore If Man could not literally build a tower to Heaven then we must yield to what was written in the text. In that God divided the people of Bable to slow their collective progress.
(Not because you think the bible says: God/Heaven was at 10,000 ft or lower)

God had israel destroy people because the con-men prophets had no idea how to increase vegetable crops or maintain sustainable animal husbandry. They had to invade because they were too stupid and could only acquire sustenance for growth by animalistic killing of neighboring clans.

Which does what? Supports His people and perserves the Linage of Christ...
You have a worker bee mentality. You look only at the gears and which way the turn. You do not seem to care what or why any of it works or the purpose of it.

Take a step back a look at the bigger picture.

So they talk to each other do they?

For the purposes of allowing the" sheep hearders "to understand whatever the dialog God has yes..

What could one omniscient being tell another that isn't useless dunder-headery?

It's clear by what Chirst says about the last days that not all three are independantly omniscient. Omniscients only describes a Quality of God, Remember God is a title of the whole and not a indivisual's name. As In God the Father God the Son God the Holy Spirit. All Three together as God Share this quality. For again in Mark 13 and Mat 24 Christ admits to not know the time of the final judgement. (Only the Father knows.)

EW! Using a verse to refer to itself is using perfect circular reasoning. Not a single dent on that ring..

Your confused. Gen 11 is an example of God slowing the progress of Man. (It says so on page) You asked where does the bible show God slowing the progress of Man. I pointed to and pasted the revelant scripture.

This is not circular reasoning. this an example of a someone who has a sunday school understanding of the bible. Then refuses to consider that his sunday school understanding of it, is at fault when someone says some thing different then what he currently understands. Which leads this person to seek reasoning to make him come off of his very specific interpertation EVEN IF what is said on page contradicts his sunday school diploma.

Again not circular reasoning, just plan ole pride on your part. You believe that you have a complete understanding of what you choose to discuss, and flat out (not trying to be mean) you don't. It is honestly like trying to have a conversation with someone who's only point of reference is an illustrated children bible. It's like you want to argue the pictures you saw and the story YOU Created around those pictures. When someone points to something other than the pictures you know, you want to dismiss them or trivialize/insult anything other than what little you seem to understand from your pictures.

So bottom line brake man if you want to ask questions i am fine and good with that, and will happily answer any questions you may have. If however you want to mock and make fun, I can do that too. It's up to you.

[Polaris]

It was no where near Heaven. The issue was that men had the arrogance to try to elevate themselves to God.

[Darkstar]

Nope..

Ah, Yes! Because you said:

If anything, God told a bronze age goat herder

"IF" Two little letters that qualify this whole premise. "If God Told anyone," then God wanted it to be known. If God wanted it known, He would have perserved what had been said. (Remember He is God) This has been shown to be true time and time again when we 'find' older examples of the bible than what we currently have, and compare what was written to what we have. (Dead sea Scrolls)

So...god didn't tell anyone nor want it to be preserved because he doesn't exist. Case closed!

What are you talking about? @ 10,000 ft the air becomes to thin to breath, (one has about 2 mins before they black out,) so construction would have to had stopped way short of 10,000 ft. I was being very generous @ 10,000 ft. It is far more likly they could not have built a structure more than 1000 ft high which is 2x's the size of any masionary building in the world. Why? the tensile strength of (any known) the mud baked bricks would not support a structure any taller than that.

Now because Heaven is not located at 10,000 God had nothing to worry about. Therefore If Man could not literally build a tower to Heaven then we must yield to what was written in the text. In that God divided the people of Bable to slow their collective progress.
(Not because you think the bible says: God/Heaven was at 10,000 ft or lower)

(bolding added)
Well, that certainly wouldn't be the first thing that wasn't literally possible in the bible. Maybe the guys who wrote it did claim that heaven was at 10,000 feet, and just assumed that no one could ever get that high, so it couldn't be falsified?

God had israel destroy people because the con-men prophets had no idea how to increase vegetable crops or maintain sustainable animal husbandry. They had to invade because they were too stupid and could only acquire sustenance for growth by animalistic killing of neighboring clans.

Which does what? Supports His people and perserves the Linage of Christ...[/quote]
Option one: help your people improve farming and herding habits
Option two: have you people kill everybody else and take their stuff
Both are equally effective to an omnipotent god, so...the genocide was unnecessary. And about the lineage of christ: why did it matter his lineage, couldn't god easily put Jesus into anyone? (Or did he make some promise to put him in a specific family?)