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RE: Muhammad the Greatest: A Comparative Study
December 9, 2012 at 9:09 pm
(December 9, 2012 at 9:02 pm)Darkstar Wrote: I just rejected you answer. You say that eyewitnesses are not reliable because they might not actually be eyewitnesses, and we shouldn't take their word for it because that would be hearsay.
[quote Al-Fatihah]Yet if asked how you know that these historians were eyewitnesses, your answer is "because they said so", thus you debunked yourself again. For it still relies on hearsay that the eyewitness were actually eyewitness. If we can't trust modern historians then how can we trust ancient nobodies?
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Response: To the contrary, I never stated that eyewitnees are not reliable, nor can you quote and prove otherwise, thus the weak strawman fails again.
You can trust historians with proof that they are historians from an eyewitness account of evidence. But claiming that a historian is a historian because you heard so is not an eyewitness account. Debunked again.
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RE: Muhammad the Greatest: A Comparative Study
December 9, 2012 at 9:09 pm
Well, an age old book states a challenge. If you can rise up to it, you are the chosen one which proves the claims in that same book are true.... way to go around in circles!
I guess circular reasoning can be found in any religion after all!
US President Kennedy once stated a challenge to put a man on the moon. I don't know much about US history, but I do know that a man did put a foot on the moon.
Can you put your foot on the moon? no? damn, you just proved that only Neil Armstrong could have done it.
Did this make sense? yeah... that's the same sense you're making with your challenge.
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RE: Muhammad the Greatest: A Comparative Study
December 9, 2012 at 9:10 pm
(December 9, 2012 at 9:03 pm)Al-Fatihah Wrote: So once again, Hitler proves nothing, bevause the qur'an challeneg proves that it is impossible from a hands-on eyewitness account. Therefore, any history claiming otherwise is false.
So the supposed events of Muhhamud aren't recognized in actual history?
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I think you missed there.
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RE: Muhammad the Greatest: A Comparative Study
December 9, 2012 at 9:10 pm
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(December 9, 2012 at 9:05 pm)Creed of Heresy Wrote: The qur'an challenge proves nothing other than how silly an attempt at vindication it is.
You've been intellectually trounced, and you are now projecting your own failures upon us. "You are running around in circles, ducking and evading," you keep saying...yet all I've seen from you is ducking and evading, and utilizing circular logic.
Begone, noob.
Response: Your weak rebuttals and ducking and dodging from the challenge supports evidence to the contrary. Debunked as usual.
(December 9, 2012 at 9:06 pm)Gooders1002 Wrote: Could I personally do what Mohammed did, no, I not that good at manipulation, by somebody like Darren Brown, definitely he can manipulate anybody, even today. If you know the tricks of the mind you can have millions in the palm of your hand without them knowing it. Does that answer your question?
Response: No one can do what Muhammad did, unless they themselves were prophets, as the challenge proves.
(December 9, 2012 at 9:10 pm)Darkstar Wrote: So the supposed events of Muhhamud aren't recognized in actual history?
I think you missed there.
Response: Only in the eyes of the deluded.
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RE: Muhammad the Greatest: A Comparative Study
December 9, 2012 at 9:13 pm
(December 9, 2012 at 9:09 pm)Al-Fatihah Wrote: You can trust historians with proof that they are historians from an eyewitness account of evidence. But claiming that a historian is a historian because you heard so is not an eyewitness account. Debunked again.
You aren't making any sense. Like, ANY. Should I even respond to this? You are saying now that people lie about being historians, and that we need eyewitnesses to somehow verify that they are? But if we 'heard so', even if it is from an eyewitness (eyewitness of what, I wonder) then it is not accurate?
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RE: Muhammad the Greatest: A Comparative Study
December 9, 2012 at 9:13 pm
(December 9, 2012 at 9:10 pm)Al-Fatihah Wrote: proves.
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
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RE: Muhammad the Greatest: A Comparative Study
December 9, 2012 at 9:14 pm
Look, it's all made up. It's just a book, not real life.
You are currently experiencing a lucky and very brief window of awareness, sandwiched in between two periods of timeless and utter nothingness. So why not make the most of it, and stop wasting your life away trying to convince other people that there is something else? The reality is obvious.
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RE: Muhammad the Greatest: A Comparative Study
December 9, 2012 at 9:14 pm
(December 9, 2012 at 9:09 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Well, an age old book states a challenge. If you can rise up to it, you are the chosen one which proves the claims in that same book are true.... way to go around in circles!
I guess circular reasoning can be found in any religion after all!
US President Kennedy once stated a challenge to put a man on the moon. I don't know much about US history, but I do know that a man did put a foot on the moon.
Can you put your foot on the moon? no? damn, you just proved that only Neil Armstrong could have done it.
Did this make sense? yeah... that's the same sense you're making with your challenge.
Response: Except the fact that it doesn't.
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RE: Muhammad the Greatest: A Comparative Study
December 9, 2012 at 9:14 pm
(This post was last modified: December 9, 2012 at 9:14 pm by Darkstar.)
(December 9, 2012 at 9:10 pm)Al-Fatihah Wrote: Response: No one can do what Muhammad did, unless they themselves were prophets, as the challenge proves.
You still haven't proven that Muhammud did what you claim he did!
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RE: Muhammad the Greatest: A Comparative Study
December 9, 2012 at 9:15 pm
(December 9, 2012 at 9:13 pm)Darkstar Wrote: You aren't making any sense. Like, ANY. Should I even respond to this? You are saying now that people lie about being historians, and that we need eyewitnesses to somehow verify that they are? But if we 'heard so', even if it is from an eyewitness (eyewitness of what, I wonder) then it is not accurate?
Response: I never stated any of the sort, supported by your inability to quote and prove otherwise. Thus it is you who is not making sense.
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