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Don't Rip My Head Off -- It's Worth a Read (Gun Self Defense Study)

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Don't Rip My Head Off -- It's Worth a Read (Gun Self Defense Study)
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RE: Don't Rip My Head Off -- It's Worth a Read (Gun Self Defense Study)
December 19, 2012 at 1:59 am
(December 19, 2012 at 12:15 am)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: I wouldn't try to rip your head off. You'd just shoot me.

With what? My sharp wit?
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RE: Don't Rip My Head Off -- It's Worth a Read (Gun Self Defense Study)
December 19, 2012 at 2:07 am
(December 19, 2012 at 1:59 am)Shell B Wrote:
(December 19, 2012 at 12:15 am)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: I wouldn't try to rip your head off. You'd just shoot me.

With what? My sharp wit?

That too.
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RE: Don't Rip My Head Off -- It's Worth a Read (Gun Self Defense Study)
December 19, 2012 at 4:23 am
Gun self study

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December 19, 2012 at 9:54 am
How about these statistics which I just gleaned from Wiki :-

Gun deaths per 100,000 people in 2011.

US - 9.2
UK - 0.25
Japan - 0.07

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RE: Don't Rip My Head Off -- It's Worth a Read (Gun Self Defense Study)
December 19, 2012 at 12:14 pm
(December 19, 2012 at 9:54 am)pgrimes15 Wrote: How about these statistics which I just gleaned from Wiki :-

Gun deaths per 100,000 people in 2011.

US - 9.2
UK - 0.25
Japan - 0.07

Regards

Grimesy

You know why this is bullshit, if I'm murdered, I don't care how it happens. Do you think that someone stabbed to death's final thought is "Thank goodness this isn't a gun!"

"Gun deaths" or "Gun Murder" is an imaginary statistic. You know what happened when the UK enacted the 68 fire arms act? The murder rate went up and rose through the next three decades. At least they weren't being killed by guns though.
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RE: Don't Rip My Head Off -- It's Worth a Read (Gun Self Defense Study)
December 19, 2012 at 1:01 pm (This post was last modified: December 19, 2012 at 1:04 pm by pgrimes15.)
(December 19, 2012 at 12:14 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: You know why this is bullshit, if I'm murdered, I don't care how it happens. Do you think that someone stabbed to death's final thought is "Thank goodness this isn't a gun!"

"Gun deaths" or "Gun Murder" is an imaginary statistic. You know what happened when the UK enacted the 68 fire arms act? The murder rate went up and rose through the next three decades. At least they weren't being killed by guns though.

Are you saying those statistics are inaccurate ?
What do you mean by "imaginary statistic" ?
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RE: Don't Rip My Head Off -- It's Worth a Read (Gun Self Defense Study)
December 19, 2012 at 1:17 pm
(December 19, 2012 at 12:14 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: You know why this is bullshit, if I'm murdered, I don't care how it happens. Do you think that someone stabbed to death's final thought is "Thank goodness this isn't a gun!"

"Gun deaths" or "Gun Murder" is an imaginary statistic. You know what happened when the UK enacted the 68 fire arms act? The murder rate went up and rose through the next three decades. At least they weren't being killed by guns though.

Overall murder rate per 100,000, same source:

United States, 4.2
United Kingdom , 1.2
Japan, 0.3

Obviously, not having guns makes a huge difference.
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RE: Don't Rip My Head Off -- It's Worth a Read (Gun Self Defense Study)
December 19, 2012 at 1:22 pm (This post was last modified: December 19, 2012 at 1:27 pm by CapnAwesome.)
(December 19, 2012 at 1:01 pm)pgrimes15 Wrote: Are you saying those statistics are inaccurate ?
What do you mean by "imaginary statistic" ?

Murder doesn't need to be separated into categories by the instrument. The murder rate is the only important statistic. If one country has a low "Gun Murder Rate" but a high murder rate altogether, is that supposed to be a good thing?
(December 19, 2012 at 1:17 pm)Ryantology Wrote:
(December 19, 2012 at 12:14 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: You know why this is bullshit, if I'm murdered, I don't care how it happens. Do you think that someone stabbed to death's final thought is "Thank goodness this isn't a gun!"

"Gun deaths" or "Gun Murder" is an imaginary statistic. You know what happened when the UK enacted the 68 fire arms act? The murder rate went up and rose through the next three decades. At least they weren't being killed by guns though.

Overall murder rate per 100,000, same source:

United States, 4.2
United Kingdom , 1.2
Japan, 0.3

Obviously, not having guns makes a huge difference.

No, because the UK has always had a lower murder rate than the US, even when the gun laws were the same. They only had significant gun restrictions starting in 1963, and after those were enacted the murder rate in the UK went up, not down.

If I did the exact same thing with Russia and Mexico, where there are heavy gun restrictions and high murder rates, but a totally different culture, then you'd rightfully call bullshit. You have to look at the big picture.
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December 19, 2012 at 1:53 pm (This post was last modified: December 19, 2012 at 1:59 pm by Great Ape.)
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RE: Don't Rip My Head Off -- It's Worth a Read (Gun Self Defense Study)
December 19, 2012 at 2:12 pm
(December 19, 2012 at 1:22 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: No, because the UK has always had a lower murder rate than the US, even when the gun laws were the same. They only had significant gun restrictions starting in 1963, and after those were enacted the murder rate in the UK went up, not down.

If I did the exact same thing with Russia and Mexico, where there are heavy gun restrictions and high murder rates, but a totally different culture, then you'd rightfully call bullshit. You have to look at the big picture.

We have culture issues, true. There are many facets to this problem. Guns are one of the major facets and we have to stop pretending otherwise. Getting them under strict control won't solve all violence, but will reduce it significantly, and that's what actually matters. If we put a tenth as much effort into this as we do destroying and rebuilding other nations halfway around the world, we'd have it in the bag.
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