Did the Jews con their con man Western masters and win the God Wars?

[Dee Dee Ramone]

It was all part of their plan to take over the world, bastards!

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[Minimalist]

This is what he's talking about. It is hardly unknown.

http://caesarsmessiah.com/

[CapnAwesome]

People need to keep in mind that this sort of nonsense is not just harmless qwakery. Believing that another group is secretly doing you evil, or secretly manipulating so and so has been used throughout history against many many groups to actually do them harm. It's not limited to the Jews. In fact modern Christians probably do it to Atheists more than anyone and it makes me nervous. How many times have we heard that there is some sort of Atheist conspiracy to get rid of god, or to pave the road with aborted babies? That's why it's important for rational people to be against conspiracy theories and not just against religion.

[thesummerqueen]

Fortunately we live in a country with a secularly based government, no matter what the right wing says - we're still protected under law. The Jews weren't so lucky in prior history.

[Brian37]

People need to keep in mind that this sort of nonsense is not just harmless qwakery. Believing that another group is secretly doing you evil, or secretly manipulating so and so has been used throughout history against many many groups to actually do them harm. It's not limited to the Jews. In fact modern Christians probably do it to Atheists more than anyone and it makes me nervous. How many times have we heard that there is some sort of Atheist conspiracy to get rid of god, or to pave the road with aborted babies? That's why it's important for rational people to be against conspiracy theories and not just against religion.

I agree with the issue that disagreement can be conflated to a conspiracy even if it is not. But even atheist miss the bigger picture.

IT IS NOT a label issue, but our species evolutionary flaw of flawed perceptions.

If the entire planet were atheists, we would still have political and economic differences and conflict would still happen.

The forefront of our collective problem as a species isn't our differences is as much as it is our failure to see that we are a common species with the same ancestors we evolved from.

You are never going to force 7 billion people to agree, much less keep people from making absurd claims or being irrational. Not even I have always been correct all the time or always been rational every moment of my life.

Evolution and human psychology are relatively new in science when compared to our species age of written communication.

So when people want to accuse us of a conspiracy of ridding the world of god, here is how we should address that.

It is a collective effort, but not a conspiracy. It is the same collective effort that allowed blacks to be freed from slavery and gained the women the right to vote. It is the same effort of pursuing facts that we no longer believe that epilepsy is a result of demons and now know it is a brain disorder.

So when a theist claims we are against them, they are not wrong in that claim. We are not against them, we are against the claims they make. I think once you convey that it is about claims and ability to demonstrate what you claim, many can see it as a healthy challenge instead of a fascist attempt to make them extinct.

I DO want god belief to die as a claim. But not via physical force. But through the continued ability to question what a person might utter. Just as a believer might challenge the claims of other people who hold other beliefs.