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RE: Leftwing Newspaper Gone Too Far?
December 27, 2012 at 2:54 am
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Next at ten, newspaper publishes a list of all known homosexuals, dissidents, poor tippers, people who pick their noses when no one is looking, and those who hate kittens. No reason we shouldn't know.
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RE: Leftwing Newspaper Gone Too Far?
December 27, 2012 at 2:56 am
(December 27, 2012 at 2:54 am)Rhythm Wrote: No reason we shouldn't know. I agree.
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RE: Leftwing Newspaper Gone Too Far?
December 27, 2012 at 4:12 am
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(December 26, 2012 at 12:29 pm)Tiberius Wrote: If the information was already public, I'm amazed there wasn't a website dedicated to doing this already. In any case, this is information that shouldn't be public in the first place. There is no need for the general population to know who owns guns. It either is or isn't public domain information. If it is then publishing it breaches no ethic codes, and breaches no public trust. If you have a problem with it being public information then the anger shouldn't be directed at the journalists who publish the information, but at the state for making the information "public" rather than "private". I still don't understand why people are getting worked up on this one I must admit.
(December 26, 2012 at 1:12 pm)Tobie Wrote: Again, this is one guy being hypocritical, so this isn't "leftist double standards". I fail to see the hypocrisy - if he wasn't a hypocrite wouldn't he exclude himself from the list?? 
(December 26, 2012 at 3:31 pm)Tiberius Wrote: Quote:NOW having said that, my problem isn't that government documents are public, THEY SHOULD BE, but the tactic of "outing" at that mass scale is what I object to. 100% Yes!
(December 26, 2012 at 4:09 pm)Creed of Heresy Wrote: I'm as far to the left as you can get in the US and I think that this person took it way the fuck too far. There is no justification for this mass-publishing of private information of any sort whatsoever. That'd be because he didn't publish private information!
(December 26, 2012 at 9:00 pm)TaraJo Wrote: Uhm..... am I the only one who thinks it's silly to complain about a newspaper publishing information that's already available to the public? Nope that's my thinking too.
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RE: Leftwing Newspaper Gone Too Far?
December 27, 2012 at 6:59 am
Quote: If it is then publishing it breaches no ethic codes,
YES IT DOES! You confuse legal with moral. The Newspaper violated the public trust. Would you want your personal information ON ANY ISSUE printed publicly "just because it's legal". You can staple your nuts to the wall too, but it doesn't make it wise.
Having access to public records is fine, "outing" people like Big brother IS NOT. Having access to public records, be it property ownership or taxes, is there for transactions between you and the government, and you and third party that may need that information for a transaction between you and another person. It was not intended to be public for the newspaper to out people.
Quote:then the anger shouldn't be directed at the journalists who publish the information, but at the state for making the information "public" rather than "private". I still don't understand why people are getting worked up on this one I must admit.
BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENT CANNOT MAKE ANY PUBLIC DOCUMENT 100% private. IT IS CONDITIONAL AND CASE BY CASE, The public(including the press) can make the request as individuals or as a journalistic entity to gain access to ANY public document.
Like any job you have in life, it comes with responsibility. Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. Records have to be available to the public. But the way they did it is what was wrong, not the records being public themselves.
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RE: Leftwing Newspaper Gone Too Far?
December 27, 2012 at 9:10 am
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(December 26, 2012 at 9:00 pm)TaraJo Wrote: Uhm..... am I the only one who thinks it's silly to complain about a newspaper publishing information that's already available to the public? It's not silly, it's serious and it's irresponsible...( besides, anybody can get a public records request if they're really interested...they don't need the newspaper to do it for them)....the newspaper is trying to agitate the general public and anti gun fanatics against legal and law abiding gun permit holders for persecution....this is just creating trouble and somebody could get seriously hurt, maybe killed....there definitely needs to be law changes to protect private citizens from this kind of privacy invasion and persecution....but then again, maybe this leftist newspaper wants a martyr....there was also an editor's note to the article, the reporter who wrote the story also owns and has a permit to carry a Smith and Wesson .357...that's some pretty hefty artillery for the reporter to be packing around who wants to expose all the legal gun permit holders in that area, the leftist hypocrite!
(December 27, 2012 at 2:54 am)Rhythm Wrote: Next at ten, newspaper publishes a list of all known homosexuals, dissidents, poor tippers, people who pick their noses when no one is looking, and those who hate kittens. No reason we shouldn't know. ....and people who don't wash their hands after using the bathroom...the public needs to know...
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RE: Leftwing Newspaper Gone Too Far?
December 27, 2012 at 9:36 am
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As someone who proudly endeavors to be LIBERAL* in his thinking, I too think what that newspaper did showed reckless disregard for public safety. Not every meth or crack head looking to pick up money for their next fix has the wherewithal to search out information that is in the public domain. What that newspaper did just made it more likely that drug zombies will avoid the armed and target me instead (if I lived in that area).
*I can't truthfully lay claim to being a leftist however. I'd say I'm pretty evenly spaced in the center between anarchists on the left and those who seek to preserve the status quo on the right. The latter are still butt hurt about losing their slaves.
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RE: Leftwing Newspaper Gone Too Far?
December 27, 2012 at 10:02 am
(December 27, 2012 at 9:10 am)A Theist Wrote: ....the newspaper is trying to agitate the general public and anti gun fanatics against legal and law abiding gun permit holders for persecution....this is just creating trouble and somebody could get seriously hurt, maybe killed....there definitely needs to be law changes to protect private citizens from this kind of privacy invasion and persecution....but then again, maybe this leftist newspaper wants a martyr....there was also an editor's note to the article, the reporter who wrote the story also owns and has a permit to carry a Smith and Wesson .357...that's some pretty hefty artillery for the reporter to be packing around who wants to expose all the legal gun permit holders in that area, the leftist hypocrite! All of that is conjecture. No one is going to listen to you if you confront them with a bunch of propaganda/conjecture to pressure your opinion.
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RE: Leftwing Newspaper Gone Too Far?
December 27, 2012 at 10:37 am
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(December 27, 2012 at 9:36 am)whateverist Wrote: As someone who proudly endeavors to be LIBERAL* in his thinking, I too think what that newspaper did showed reckless disregard for public safety. Not every meth or crack head looking to pick up money for their next fix has the wherewithal to search out information that is in the public domain. What that newspaper did just made it more likely that drug zombies will avoid the armed and target me instead (if I lived in that area).
*I can't truthfully lay claim to being a leftist however. I'd say I'm pretty evenly spaced in the center between anarchists on the left and those who seek to preserve the status quo on the right. The latter are still butt hurt about losing their slaves. "As someone who proudly endeavors to be LIBERAL* in his thinking,...*I can't truthfully lay claim to being a leftist however."....I agree with you on this point because I draw the same distinction....as you probably noticed, I didn't use the term 'Liberal' when I referred to the 'Leftist' newspaper.
" I'd say I'm pretty evenly spaced in the center between anarchists on the left and those who seek to preserve the status quo on the right. The latter are still butt hurt about losing their slaves."....stirring the racial pot?
(December 27, 2012 at 10:02 am)Aractus Wrote: (December 27, 2012 at 9:10 am)A Theist Wrote: ....the newspaper is trying to agitate the general public and anti gun fanatics against legal and law abiding gun permit holders for persecution....this is just creating trouble and somebody could get seriously hurt, maybe killed....there definitely needs to be law changes to protect private citizens from this kind of privacy invasion and persecution....but then again, maybe this leftist newspaper wants a martyr....there was also an editor's note to the article, the reporter who wrote the story also owns and has a permit to carry a Smith and Wesson .357...that's some pretty hefty artillery for the reporter to be packing around who wants to expose all the legal gun permit holders in that area, the leftist hypocrite! All of that is conjecture. No one is going to listen to you if you confront them with a bunch of propaganda/conjecture to pressure your opinion. Hey Aractus, just want your opinion on this...Here's a quote from 'whateverist'...
Quote:I'd say I'm pretty evenly spaced in the center between anarchists on the left and those who seek to preserve the status quo on the right. The latter are still butt hurt about losing their slaves.
...butt hurt about losing their slaves?....would you consider this propaganda / conjecture as well....
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RE: Leftwing Newspaper Gone Too Far?
December 27, 2012 at 10:59 am
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A newspaper published something that is public, WOAH HOW CONTRAVERSIAL! Go live in North Korea or something if you want that kind of restriction, China maybe.
And I'm sorry to point out the obvious to you, but if you have a problem with that then your problem is with your "right wing" government, not the "left wing" newspaper.
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RE: Leftwing Newspaper Gone Too Far?
December 27, 2012 at 3:23 pm
(December 27, 2012 at 10:37 am)A Theist Wrote: " I'd say I'm pretty evenly spaced in the center between anarchists on the left and those who seek to preserve the status quo on the right. The latter are still butt hurt about losing their slaves."....stirring the racial pot?
Just to bring it to a simmer. Naw, mostly I just can't resist an opportunity to taint conservatives. No offense.
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