Will Jesus return on a white horse?

[Mark 13:13]

Don't you think that these historians can't do their job properly, don't you think they haven't considered these also? Are you asking me to reinvent the wheel and become an ancient historian before I can accept what ancient historians tell me? Life's to short for me to become a fully qualified historian,scientist,philosopher,psychologist,doctor.... etc.

So the short answer is.... No, you can't produce any contemporary accounts of his supposed life.

Thank you for playing.

no what i am saying is if you wont believe qualified ancient historians why would you believe me an ordinary joe bloggs so pardon me for not wasting my time, if you want me to get references to ancient historians I can but again so could you and pardon me for suggesting asking me to do the work for you smacks of laziness if you really wanted the answer. In truth I would go search for you if I believed that for just 1 minute you were serious, but i don't. As far as all this burden of proof rubbish I don't believe its my burden and I suggest the burden of proof is on you to convince me that the burden of proof is mine and I believe like every thread I start that's where we are going with this.

[Annik]

Provide us with your sources. It's simple.

[Zen Badger]

So the short answer is.... No, you can't produce any contemporary accounts of his supposed life.

Thank you for playing.

no what i am saying is if you wont believe qualified ancient historians why would you believe me an ordinary joe bloggs so pardon me for not wasting my time, if you want me to get references to ancient historians I can but again so could you and pardon me for suggesting asking me to do the work for you smacks of laziness if you really wanted the answer. In truth I would go search for you if I believed that for just 1 minute you were serious, but i don't. As far as all this burden of proof rubbish I don't believe its my burden and I suggest the burden of proof is on you to convince me that the burden of proof is mine and I believe like every thread I start that's where we are going with this.

And which ancient historians would they be?

Come now, it can't be that hard to provide a name.

As to burden of proof, it is always incumbent upon the claimant to back up his claim.
As it is in the legal system. If you are on trial for a crime it is upon the prosecutor to prove your guilt. Not you to prove your innocence.

[Mark 13:13]

Seems I'm not alone in my conclusions about the waste of time talking to people who want to take a time machine back and talk in person to Jesus Christ before they will believe he even existed.

http://bede.org.uk/price1.htm from this page the following..

Scholarly opinions on the Jesus Myth by Christopher Price

I have often been asked why more academics do not take the time to respond to the Jesus Myth theory. After looking into this question, I discovered that most historians and New Testament scholars relevant to the topic have concluded that Jesus Mythers are beyond reason and therefore decide that they have better things to do with their time.

Michael Grant

In his book Jesus: An Historian's Review of the Gospels, Atheist historian Michael Grant completely rejected the idea that Jesus never existed.



This sceptical way of thinking reached its culmination in the argument that Jesus as a human being never existed at all and is a myth.... But above all, if we apply to the New Testament, as we should, the same sort of criteria as we should apply to other ancient writings containing historical material, we can no more reject Jesus' existence than we can reject the existence of a mass of pagan personages whose reality as historical figures is never questioned. Certainly, there are all those discrepancies between one Gospel and another. But we do not deny that an event ever took place just because some pagan historians such as, for example, Livy and Polybius, happen to have described it in differing terms.... To sum up, modern critical methods fail to support the Christ myth theory. It has 'again and again been answered and annihilated by first rank scholars.' In recent years, 'no serous scholar has ventured to postulate the non historicity of Jesus' or at any rate very few, and they have not succeeded in disposing of the much stronger, indeed very abundant, evidence to the contrary.

in case you missed it "It has 'again and again been answered and annihilated by first rank scholars.' " so if you wont believe first rank scholars or even one of the most pre-eminent athiest historical scholar give me a good reason to believe it would be a productive use of my time to say more on the topic of did Jesus Christ exist.

[KichigaiNeko]

See? Now that wasn't hard was it?

[Mark 13:13]

See? Now that wasn't hard was it?

nope but just watch the response

[KichigaiNeko]

Why? It is a three year old blog post? Why should that be astounding?

[Brian37]

As I understand it the Book of Revelations has Jesus returning on a white horse. Maybe what that really means is that he will return in a white Ferrari -- with a lot of horse power!

I guess that there is no reason why the second coming of Jesus would be somebody other than the original Jesus. I'm sure that he looks exactly the same as he did since Biblical times -- since he is God! He doesn't have to have aged. Remember he rose from the dead and went off to heaven as a living man. I don't know why people think that he will come as another person. That just doesn't make sense! Maybe their faith is weak and they think that the original Jesus died and he will have to be born again?

But the real question is why is Jesus waiting to come again?

I wish he would come and do something about the Middle Eastern conflict! That sure has been a big waste of money and a lot of people have died because of it. But I guess that God is beyond our comprehension and we just have to trust the Bible and the Republicans. It is too bad that we have to kill men, women, and little children because their religious beliefs are different than our own. But religion is the source of goodness and goodness must be maintained by committing horrific atrocities!

I hate questions like this. You might as well be asking "Why does Harry Potter fly around on brooms". I know this merely questioning the logic of the bible, which of there is none.

But to answer the question, the trope of god/s saving their people was not a new idea to Christianity. Long before Ra and Osirus and Horus were the original trinity saving the Egyptian people sitting in judgment of them.

The bible was cobbled together from the earliest Hebrew writings(OT) to the Council of Nicea(sp), written over 1,000 year period by 40 authors with books left out.

Why did the Character Jesus come down on a white horse? Because that was the mode of transportation for the powers at the time who could afford horses. The bible was written, like all religious characters, for the people back then of their time who followed that particular deity.

"Why" was this written, in all cases in all holy books, the reason is the same. The people who wrote them wanted their fictional super hero to come back during their lifetimes.

None of it makes sense of course because it is all fiction. But back then people did not have the modern scientific knowledge they have access to now, and politically speaking, utopia's sell, and have always been politically expedient for powers of any generation to get others to follow them.

As far as violence and death happening, the concept believers can't grasp is that their is no bearded man in a white robe vs a man with a red pitchfork fighting over the neurons in your brain. Bad things and good things happen in life, because they do, not because of some utopian fictional Superman vs Kriptonite.

[KichigaiNeko]

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=104628

Interesting book review

[Zen Badger]

Seems I'm not alone in my conclusions about the waste of time talking to people who want to take a time machine back and talk in person to Jesus Christ before they will believe he even existed.

http://bede.org.uk/price1.htm from this page the following..

Scholarly opinions on the Jesus Myth by Christopher Price

I have often been asked why more academics do not take the time to respond to the Jesus Myth theory. After looking into this question, I discovered that most historians and New Testament scholars relevant to the topic have concluded that Jesus Mythers are beyond reason and therefore decide that they have better things to do with their time.

Michael Grant

In his book Jesus: An Historian's Review of the Gospels, Atheist historian Michael Grant completely rejected the idea that Jesus never existed.



This sceptical way of thinking reached its culmination in the argument that Jesus as a human being never existed at all and is a myth.... But above all, if we apply to the New Testament, as we should, the same sort of criteria as we should apply to other ancient writings containing historical material, we can no more reject Jesus' existence than we can reject the existence of a mass of pagan personages whose reality as historical figures is never questioned. Certainly, there are all those discrepancies between one Gospel and another. But we do not deny that an event ever took place just because some pagan historians such as, for example, Livy and Polybius, happen to have described it in differing terms.... To sum up, modern critical methods fail to support the Christ myth theory. It has 'again and again been answered and annihilated by first rank scholars.' In recent years, 'no serous scholar has ventured to postulate the non historicity of Jesus' or at any rate very few, and they have not succeeded in disposing of the much stronger, indeed very abundant, evidence to the contrary.

in case you missed it "It has 'again and again been answered and annihilated by first rank scholars.' " so if you wont believe first rank scholars or even one of the most pre-eminent athiest historical scholar give me a good reason to believe it would be a productive use of my time to say more on the topic of did Jesus Christ exist.

That's nice, but do you have contemporary accounts of his life like I originally asked for?

You know, the ancient historians that you mentioned etc.

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And as a riposte to your link......