(January 1, 2013 at 5:51 am)Zen Badger Wrote:no what i am saying is if you wont believe qualified ancient historians why would you believe me an ordinary joe bloggs so pardon me for not wasting my time, if you want me to get references to ancient historians I can but again so could you and pardon me for suggesting asking me to do the work for you smacks of laziness if you really wanted the answer. In truth I would go search for you if I believed that for just 1 minute you were serious, but i don't. As far as all this burden of proof rubbish I don't believe its my burden and I suggest the burden of proof is on you to convince me that the burden of proof is mine and I believe like every thread I start that's where we are going with this.(January 1, 2013 at 5:37 am)Mark 13:13 Wrote: Don't you think that these historians can't do their job properly, don't you think they haven't considered these also? Are you asking me to reinvent the wheel and become an ancient historian before I can accept what ancient historians tell me? Life's to short for me to become a fully qualified historian,scientist,philosopher,psychologist,doctor.... etc.
So the short answer is.... No, you can't produce any contemporary accounts of his supposed life.
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Will Jesus return on a white horse?
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Provide us with your sources. It's simple.
![]() (January 1, 2013 at 6:17 am)Mark 13:13 Wrote:(January 1, 2013 at 5:51 am)Zen Badger Wrote: So the short answer is.... No, you can't produce any contemporary accounts of his supposed life.no what i am saying is if you wont believe qualified ancient historians why would you believe me an ordinary joe bloggs so pardon me for not wasting my time, if you want me to get references to ancient historians I can but again so could you and pardon me for suggesting asking me to do the work for you smacks of laziness if you really wanted the answer. In truth I would go search for you if I believed that for just 1 minute you were serious, but i don't. As far as all this burden of proof rubbish I don't believe its my burden and I suggest the burden of proof is on you to convince me that the burden of proof is mine and I believe like every thread I start that's where we are going with this. And which ancient historians would they be? Come now, it can't be that hard to provide a name. As to burden of proof, it is always incumbent upon the claimant to back up his claim. As it is in the legal system. If you are on trial for a crime it is upon the prosecutor to prove your guilt. Not you to prove your innocence. ![]() If you're not supposed to ride faster than your guardian angel can fly then mine had better get a bloody SR-71. RE: Will Jesus return on a white horse?
January 1, 2013 at 7:31 am
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See? Now that wasn't hard was it?
"The Universe is run by the complex interweaving of three elements: energy, matter, and enlightened self-interest." G'Kar-B5
Why? It is a three year old blog post? Why should that be astounding?
"The Universe is run by the complex interweaving of three elements: energy, matter, and enlightened self-interest." G'Kar-B5
(December 30, 2012 at 4:17 pm)RichardP Wrote: As I understand it the Book of Revelations has Jesus returning on a white horse. Maybe what that really means is that he will return in a white Ferrari -- with a lot of horse power! I hate questions like this. You might as well be asking "Why does Harry Potter fly around on brooms". I know this merely questioning the logic of the bible, which of there is none. But to answer the question, the trope of god/s saving their people was not a new idea to Christianity. Long before Ra and Osirus and Horus were the original trinity saving the Egyptian people sitting in judgment of them. The bible was cobbled together from the earliest Hebrew writings(OT) to the Council of Nicea(sp), written over 1,000 year period by 40 authors with books left out. Why did the Character Jesus come down on a white horse? Because that was the mode of transportation for the powers at the time who could afford horses. The bible was written, like all religious characters, for the people back then of their time who followed that particular deity. "Why" was this written, in all cases in all holy books, the reason is the same. The people who wrote them wanted their fictional super hero to come back during their lifetimes. None of it makes sense of course because it is all fiction. But back then people did not have the modern scientific knowledge they have access to now, and politically speaking, utopia's sell, and have always been politically expedient for powers of any generation to get others to follow them. As far as violence and death happening, the concept believers can't grasp is that their is no bearded man in a white robe vs a man with a red pitchfork fighting over the neurons in your brain. Bad things and good things happen in life, because they do, not because of some utopian fictional Superman vs Kriptonite. "The Universe is run by the complex interweaving of three elements: energy, matter, and enlightened self-interest." G'Kar-B5
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January 1, 2013 at 10:15 am
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Maybe their faith is weak and they think that the original Jesus died and he will have to be born again?