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RE: Will Jesus return on a white horse?
January 2, 2013 at 4:06 am
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(January 2, 2013 at 4:01 am)Christian Wrote: God.
Make your case for the word implying that "generation" actually means "many, many, many generations".
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RE: Will Jesus return on a white horse?
January 2, 2013 at 4:08 am
(January 2, 2013 at 4:01 am)Christian Wrote: (January 2, 2013 at 3:58 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: Really who ever could consider 200 generations to be one?
God.
Well, considering his knowledge of biology is pretty crap I'm not surprised he can't count either.
If you're not supposed to ride faster than your guardian angel can fly then mine had better get a bloody SR-71.
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RE: Will Jesus return on a white horse?
January 2, 2013 at 4:08 am
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(January 2, 2013 at 4:05 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: But "Generations" is a human word. And your god never wrote a thing, humans did.
umm, errr, my god can change the meanings of words whenever he wants and umm, when you're god, stuff means different stuff and then that stuff means what it means when it's changed into other stuff and uhhh... ummm.... uh! you're going to hell!!!
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RE: Will Jesus return on a white horse?
January 2, 2013 at 4:10 am
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(January 2, 2013 at 4:08 am)Cinjin Wrote: umm, errr, my god can change the meanings of words whenever he wants and umm, when you're god, stuff means different stuff and then that stuff means what it means when it's changed into other stuff and uhhh... ummm.... uh! you're going to hell!!!
seems like it eh??
Just found this (sorry if it is a repeat)
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RE: Will Jesus return on a white horse?
January 2, 2013 at 4:28 am
(January 2, 2013 at 4:01 am)Christian Wrote: (January 2, 2013 at 3:58 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: Really who ever could consider 200 generations to be one?
God.
I'm guessing the idea of 'interpretation' is probably lost on you.
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RE: Will Jesus return on a white horse?
January 2, 2013 at 4:32 am
Your answer you are all looking for is in the fig tree in Matt 24 :32.
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RE: Will Jesus return on a white horse?
January 2, 2013 at 5:02 am
No it isn't.
The answer You are not looking for is in atheism
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RE: Will Jesus return on a white horse?
January 2, 2013 at 9:06 am
(January 2, 2013 at 3:56 am)Christian Wrote: (January 1, 2013 at 11:36 pm)RichardP Wrote: Hmmm.... You only quoted part of Matthew chapter 24.
34 Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away.
36 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.
Jesus was going to return in "THIS GENERATION".
This generation means the generation between the time of this proclamation till the second coming. THIS in this verse is an indefinite aorist.
Matthew 10: 23
23 When you are persecuted in one place, flee to another. Truly I tell you, you will not finish going through the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.
Matthew 16: 27-28
27 For the Son of Man is going to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay each person according to what he has done. 28 Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.
And here Jesus gives instructions to his disciples. He tells them how they will know that the end times are here and what they must do.
Matthew 24: 3-34
3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”
4 Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many. 6 [b]You[/b] will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of birth pains.
9 “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13 but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world (Holy Roman Empire?) as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
15 “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,' 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house. 18 Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. 19 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 20 Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.
22 “If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. 23 At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. 24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you ahead of time.
26 “So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. 27 For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28 Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.
29 “Immediately after the distress of those days
“‘the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’
30 “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth[c] will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.[d] 31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.
32 “Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. 33 Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it[e] is near, right at the door. [b]34 Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.
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Actually I remember a very good case was made the George W Bush was the second coming of Jesus Christ.
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RE: Will Jesus return on a white horse?
January 2, 2013 at 9:21 am
(January 2, 2013 at 9:06 am)RichardP Wrote: (January 2, 2013 at 3:56 am)Christian Wrote: This generation means the generation between the time of this proclamation till the second coming. THIS in this verse is an indefinite aorist.
Matthew 10: 23
23 When you are persecuted in one place, flee to another. Truly I tell you, you will not finish going through the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.
Matthew 16: 27-28
27 For the Son of Man is going to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay each person according to what he has done. 28 Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.
And here Jesus gives instructions to his disciples. He tells them how they will know that the end times are here and what they must do.
Matthew 24: 3-34
3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”
4 Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many. 6 [b]You[/b] will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of birth pains.
9 “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13 but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world (Holy Roman Empire?) as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
15 “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,' 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house. 18 Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. 19 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 20 Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.
22 “If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. 23 At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. 24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you ahead of time.
26 “So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. 27 For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28 Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.
29 “Immediately after the distress of those days
“‘the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’
30 “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth[c] will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.[d] 31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.
32 “Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. 33 Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it[e] is near, right at the door. [b]34 Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.
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Actually I remember a very good case was made the George W Bush was the second coming of Jesus Christ.
That picture and that President are proof of evolution. Unlike the believer's fictional god, we know reproducing can produce idiots like Bush Jr.
To think "all this" was part of a fictional god's plan, is kinda negated by his minions inept actions. And if this character people called god were real, certainly such a claimed being could do better than that jackass.
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RE: Will Jesus return on a white horse?
January 2, 2013 at 12:16 pm
There is no single verse in the whole fucking NT which causes xtians to twist their scrotums into knots more than ole jebus' line about this "generation."
Of course, the Mark 9-1 line of bullshit:
Quote:King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.
really undercuts the interpretations that the nuttier ones try to come up with. Nope...it looks, quite simply, that jebus was wrong.
Gods should not be wrong. Really impacts their 'godliness.'
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