All Hail the Second Amendment

[The Grand Nudger]

That's the nature of an accident though, eh, as opposed to negligence?  In an accident, you don't intend for the gun to go off, you don't go through those motions - but, for whatever reason, it does.  It's exceedingly rare but very possible.  In a negligent discharge, you go through every motion required to fire the weapon, and, surprise surprise, it goes off.   You tell me, are the stories in this thread AD's or ND's?

Allowing us to call them AD's, both societally and legally, is shirking the culpability of the gun owner and -creating- the problem that anti-gun laws seek to solve.  The only AD's that occur are mechanical failures.  If a gun goes off, and the gun does not shown signs of mechanical failure, it was negligence, not an accident. If a person gets shot because of it...even if there was a mechanical failure, it is -still- negligence, and possibly more than that, because space is big and people are small.

We need to hold folks accountable, even when they shoot themselves. If a person is so negligent, that they shoot -themselves-, imo, it's only a matter of time before they shoot someone else. I suspect that we only pussyfoot around with this "accidental discharge" bullshit in order to avoid opening a political can of worms. It's easier to call them idiots and let it ride than it would be to leverage our existing laws to the hilt against them. We're just not serious about our gun laws. We don't enforce them, and we don't propose new laws (to replace the old ones we already ignore) that would solve the problems we pretend to be interested in.

[Minimalist]

I suspect it is a carryover from the concept of an automobile accident.  There too, the events are less accidental than negligent.  The poor bastard who gets hit by some asshole running a red light is not involved in an accident:  he is the unintended target of the asshole running the light.

Most car "accidents" come down to negligence somewhere.

[The Grand Nudger]

Some food for thought, perfect for the thread.

Last month, Florida prosecutors decided not to press charges against a man who fatally shot his pregnant friend while showing off one of his guns.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/when-is-an-a...y-a-crime/

For reference, "showing off" in this case...means twirling it on the trigger around his finger while loaded.....we've got ourselves a fucking cowboy! Shot her in the head, both she and the child were lost, ofc.

The State Attorney Explains-

"An accidental discharge of a firearm causing death, even if the result of gross negligence cannot be prosecuted criminally," King wrote. "Just as it is my duty to prosecute those who violate the law, it is equally my duty to refrain from prosecuting those whose conduct, no matter how outrageous, does not constitute a crime. This is such a case."

So, pretty shitty state, right....however, there's a silver lining...

According to a 2000 study published in the journal , in the two years after Florida passed a law holding adults criminally responsible for the unsafe storage of a firearm, the state saw a 51 percent decline in unintentional shootings of minors. The study did not find a significant decline in the 14 other states that had passed similar laws at the time - although they noted that only two other states besides Florida made the crime a felony, as opposed to a misdemeanor.

Imagine that, when there are consequences for our actions we consider them more thouroughly.....bit like running a red light.  

So.....we can obviously write laws that don't have to come up against the 2nd amendment, that work....we should do more of that, right?

The Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence's Nichols says that about half of all states have adopted laws stating that you are guilty of a crime if you store you gun in such a way that a child can access it, and harm results -

-awesome...whats the holdup?

but prosecutors have great discretion over whether or not to bring charges. The statutes vary on whether the crime of unsafe storage is a felony or a misdemeanor.

oooooh.....like the dirtbag State Attorney up above?   Seems to me like twirling a loaded gun around your finger qualifies as "unsafe storage", so..in Florida....a felony, or not...I guess.......

 

[Minimalist]

The asshole is probably a republicunt - bought and paid for by the NRA.

[Minimalist]

http://www.ktbs.com/story/30512522/pisto...-vacuuming

Pistol-wearing man accidentally shoots self while vacuuming

Why?  Anticipating an attack by a dust bunny?

[Minimalist]

Today's winner in the Dead Kid Lottery brought to you by Gun Nut Nation.

http://www.yorkdispatch.com/breaking/ci_...-shot-york

Coroner: 12-year-old boy dead in what police say was accidental shooting

[Wyrd of Gawd]

Today's winner in the Dead Kid Lottery brought to you by Gun Nut Nation.

http://www.yorkdispatch.com/breaking/ci_...-shot-york

Coroner: 12-year-old boy dead in what police say was accidental shooting

It seems that the victim was a black kid.  https://www.google.com/search?q=Marlin+B...fgyBLDE%3D

[Wyrd of Gawd]

This site has the latest carnage.  https://www.reddit.com/r/rage/related/3s..._in_house/

It's like guns have minds of their own.

[Minimalist]

What?  They don't count?

[The Grand Nudger]

Min, you catch the one halfway down that link.  Drunk driving cop...shoots at a cop, trying to get him off the road, lol. Chicago is awesome. To the thread!