Jesus, Least Fit Moral Judge

[Drich]

I have much to learn from the Pun Master..

I love how you take so lightly, something that I see as serious. Serves to show just how conceited you truly are.
And no I'm not talking about raisins or prunes, I know you were thinking it

actually missy I wasn't speaking to you. I let you have the last word in your rant. My post here was in response to blossom and ryan. The reason I changed my tember so quickly is because we are told if one will not listen or receive instruction, shake the dust from your feet and move on. That's what I did when I gave you the last word on the subject. I moved on. Don't get me wrong I am looking forward to your next subject, but as far as this one goes I'm done because you seem to want to turn this into a personal hate fest, where we call each other names for the next 10 pages. If that's what you are into may I suggest Atheiist Forums dot com or maybe one of the craigslist religion forums. I am sure one of our 'brothers' will be happy to mindlessly argue with you.

[Mystical]

Hate fest? Who said I wanted a hate fest? I wanted some accountability, or at very least verification that you understand why I stopped our conversation. I don't hate you, you frustrate me. You may feel some level of hostility and honestly, that is indeed my fault. You're my first debate. When I consulted the catholic forums, which was the first serious forum I'd been in in my life--it was more me pleading for an answer to my questions and getting either ignored or told to ask god my questions. So here you are, in an athiest forum--and I mistakenly assumed that you indeed wanted to try to at least address and possibly answer questions that I have for you. Otherwise why are you here? Forgive me for thinking that I should ask a question, and you answer the question in turn, honestly without cheating. When I was a Christian, I considered conversations with athiests at the highest priority possible. I'm not a debator, never debated, I merely wanted an honest discussion and you definitely did not give me that. In this case I asked a question, you ambiguified it and turned the conversation back on me and if that's all you did that would be fine, obviously that's your choice to represent yourself and god however you see fit. But you persisted in arguing the point with the assumptions that I believe in murder when in fact I do not, and made that extensively clear to you, over and over. What's more, I don't hate you because I call you conceited. I just call it as I see it. If you weren't so self-focused, you'd see what you were doing, and try to correct it if you truly cared about not only having a good debate--but also upholding your mission of helping someone concrete their beliefs one way or the other. Totally ignoring your effect on someone who has spent so much effort trying to talk to you, is indeed conceited. You could've at least told me why you thought I condone murder, based on what I've said for instance, and the fact that you didn't just made me conclude that you were indeed f*ing with my head for no discernible reason, and don't go thinking that I'm unfounded for getting frustrated at that. Lesson learned, time not well spent on my part--brush me off your boots and be done with me then.

[catfish]

Surtr said: "I know eonian does not mean eternal." He did however admit his uncertainty

Blatant lie. I never admitted uncertainty, I stated clearly that I thought the second definition of eonian was the one in the bible and you were unable to prove me wrong.

You shouldn't lie when your own words can easily be seen...

As in, I know eonian does not mean eternal. Or does it?

(highlighted by me)
Blue = your statement about what you "know".
Red = your uncertainty ploy used as "bait".
You admitted what you knew, then lied about it later???

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Catfish Wrote: I just want to set the record straight. I did NOT mock you for not being confident. I mocked you for being one of the pig-ignorant, stupid, fundie fucktard appologist sheeple.

You have a dirty fucking mouth, for a bible thumper.

I am anything but a bible thumper. I thought that much should be evident.
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[Drich]

Hate fest? Who said I wanted a hate fest? I wanted some accountability, or at very least verification that you understand why I stopped our conversation. I don't hate you, you frustrate me. You may feel some level of hostility and honestly, that is indeed my fault. You're my first debate. When I consulted the catholic forums, which was the first serious forum I'd been in in my life--it was more me pleading for an answer to my questions and getting either ignored or told to ask god my questions. So here you are, in an athiest forum--and I mistakenly assumed that you indeed wanted to try to at least address and possibly answer questions that I have for you. Otherwise why are you here?

To sift you and your intentions. to weigh and measure the extent of your biblical knoweledge and to see how far you are willing to persue the answer that you seek. Not to mention The big question, is what will you do went confront with a slight against your pride.

Everyone here upon our first discussion when through simlar process. Why? So I know where and how to start, and so I do not spend months in research on someone looking for chinks in christianity so to argue it more effectivly. Lastly to push back. So we both have a general understanding that both parties involved are capable to say things to up set the other. If you are one to strive on conflict this would be your exit ramp.

Forgive me for thinking that I should ask a question, and you answer the question in turn, honestly without cheating. When I was a Christian, I considered conversations with athiests at the highest priority possible. I'm not a debator, never debated, I merely wanted an honest discussion and you definitely did not give me that. In this case I asked a question, you ambiguified it and turned the conversation back on me and if that's all you did that would be fine, obviously that's your choice to represent yourself and god however you see fit. But you persisted in arguing the point with the assumptions that I believe in murder when in fact I do not, and made that extensively clear to you, over and over. What's more, I don't hate you because I call you conceited.

To me this statement is an attempt at artful deception. for you were extermely vauge in your responses, and often refered to doing what ever it took to defend your sister. This is American slang for one's willingness to kill another. Not to mention you seem to be willfully ignorant to the fact that i was trying to make a distintion between willful murder and sanctioned taking of life. All to make you the victim here. If you want to be the victim I have no issue playing the villian. However if you paint me as a villian then know it is a role i will adopt towards you. Meaning for you I will not be here to answer your questions.

I just call it as I see it. If you weren't so self-focused, you'd see what you were doing, and try to correct it if you truly cared about not only having a good debate--but also upholding your mission of helping someone concrete their beliefs one way or the other. Totally ignoring your effect on someone who has spent so much effort trying to talk to you, is indeed conceited.

For me their were 10 other topics that were being discussed in our back and forth discussions. Until we steped beyond your ablity to intellegently argue against the christian position. (which came to an end two or three post beyond my

You could've at least told me why you thought I condone murder, based on what I've said for instance, and the fact that you didn't just made me conclude that you were indeed f*ing with my head for no discernible reason, and don't go thinking that I'm unfounded for getting frustrated at that. Lesson learned, time not well spent on my part--brush me off your boots and be done with me then.

If you go back and look at the actual conversation (both times) I pointed out a statement that you made that made me think you condoned the killing of another human being.

You in all truthfulness strike me as someone who only see red when she has her pride rattled. You have on several occasions completely missed the mark of the conversation or even compeletly misrepersented what i have said and attacked a straw man of your own making. What makes this almost comical is now that you have the perceived oppertunity to hold me "Accountable" to something you have been guilty of no less than 3 times. you have turned into a witch hunt. tring to maniuplate me 'as a christian' into falling in to how you think a christian should act in this given situation.

Truthfully I have turned the cheek 3 times, and now you want me to retract and beg for an oppertunity to argue with you... Remember in the beginning of this thread when I said I was here to weigh and sift you, to test your knoweledge, to see how far you were willing to persue the truth, to confront you with a measure of your own pride? Well it is to help me answer situations like this.

If I can judge your intentions to be honorable and can forsee benfiting from a do over or a reset then I will absolutly do what needs to be done. However if I test you and you fail, with little to no hope of you taking any steps toward God, then I have been justified if and when i shake the dust from my feet and move on.

As I have said a few times before. If you were interested in having your questions answered then there were 9 other topics on the table being discussed other than your beliefs about murder. If a slight against your pride will not allow you to move forward with the other 9 topics, then attempting to teach the other 9 topics would be in vain anyways. So I offer to pick back up with everything being discussed, and I am willing to drop the murder topic with the promise to revisit it at a later date if you wish to continue. If not again I look forward to our next discussion.

[Brian37]

I love how you take so lightly, something that I see as serious. Serves to show just how conceited you truly are.
And no I'm not talking about raisins or prunes, I know you were thinking it

actually missy I wasn't speaking to you. I let you have the last word in your rant. My post here was in response to blossom and ryan. The reason I changed my tember so quickly is because we are told if one will not listen or receive instruction, shake the dust from your feet and move on. That's what I did when I gave you the last word on the subject. I moved on. Don't get me wrong I am looking forward to your next subject, but as far as this one goes I'm done because you seem to want to turn this into a personal hate fest, where we call each other names for the next 10 pages. If that's what you are into may I suggest Atheiist Forums dot com or maybe one of the craigslist religion forums. I am sure one of our 'brothers' will be happy to mindlessly argue with you.

We hate your claims, not you personally and we will blaspheme any and all absurdities you put forth. I would suggest if you don't have evidence for your claims, maybe you are the one with the problem, not us. But what we don't do is simply coddle your insecurities and allow you to accuse us of "hate" when such is not the case. You need to learn the difference between you, and what you claim.

And as an side, in your signature you quote the bible about questioning. I think Jefferson's secular quote is much more useful and self introspective and you need to heed his advice and not swallow that comic book for once.

"Question with boldness even the existence of a god, for if there be one, surely he would pay more homage to reason than to that of blindfolded fear" Thomas Jefferson.

Oh and as far as blasting your claims, here is another one from Tom.

"Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions". Thomas Jefferson.

Now if you really want us to hate you personally, keep complaining. Or debate and stop worrying about our word choice.

[Violet]

We hate your claims, not you personally and we will blaspheme any and all absurdities you put forth. I would suggest if you don't have evidence for your claims, maybe you are the one with the problem, not us. But what we don't do is simply coddle your insecurities and allow you to accuse us of "hate" when such is not the case. You need to learn the difference between you, and what you claim.

Just who the hell are you speaking for here?

Brain... Brain stahp!

And as an side, in your signature you quote the bible about questioning. I think Jefferson's secular quote is much more useful and self introspective and you need to heed his advice and not swallow that comic book for once.

I think his signature is more than fine, and I think Jefferson was a retard.

We're talking Ol' Tommy, right?

"Question with boldness even the existence of a god, for if there be one, surely he would pay more homage to reason than to that of blindfolded fear" Thomas Jefferson.

Yup... totally stupid.

Oh and as far as blasting your claims, here is another one from Tom.

"Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions". Thomas Jefferson.

I notice you're using a weapon in what should be a pleasing conversation... where are you from, the Old West?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfQ3A3MnKYs

Now if you really want us to hate you personally, keep complaining. Or debate and stop worrying about our word choice.

Shut it, I like Dirch

0.o I haven't repped him yet, fixing that.

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Infact, I rather like his signature, having just read it wholly.

[Surtr]

I think his signature is more than fine, and I think Jefferson was a retard.

What's that? Jefferson can't hear you over how badass he is.

[catfish]

So Surtr, are you just going to ignore the fact that you were busted in a lie?
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[Violet]

What's that? Jefferson can't hear you over how badass he is.

I eat rocks, live comfortably on the planet Venus in your star system, and command the mightiest armada in the "Milky Way" galaxy.



Thank you, come again.

[Surtr]

So Surtr, are you just going to ignore the fact that you were busted in a lie?
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What lie? I defeated your argument more than once and you continued to insist that you were right. You couldn't refute my argument and you couldn't prove to me that eonian didn't mean eternal. I got tired of your bullshit.