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question for muslims
January 11, 2013 at 4:51 pm
To muslims living in western countries,
do you look at the disbelievers around where you live and genuinely think they are destined for hell with or without your help?
do you believe god favours you more which is why he has let you be born into a muslim family and be born as a believer?
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Indeed, those who disbelieve - it is all the same for them whether you warn them or do not warn them - they will not believe.
To recently converted muslims of non muslim families
Do you believe your ansestors who werent muslims are going to hell? do you believe allah will be kinder to you in heaven then say your grandad or great grandfather?
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RE: question for muslims
January 11, 2013 at 5:03 pm
Quote:do you believe god favours you more which is why he has let you be born into a muslim family and be born as a believer?
All theists think that. They think their particular invisible sky-daddy loves them and hates everyone who isn't them.
It is why I have a great deal of trouble putting up with any of the fuckers.
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RE: question for muslims
January 11, 2013 at 6:51 pm
It`s friday, the day they clean their carpets.
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RE: question for muslims
January 12, 2013 at 9:00 pm
Hey, im back will reply after some sleep.
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RE: question for muslims
January 12, 2013 at 9:22 pm
(January 12, 2013 at 9:00 pm)ThatMuslimGuy Wrote: Hey, im back will reply after some sleep.
Why do you post this on multiple threads?
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RE: question for muslims
January 14, 2013 at 4:29 pm
(January 11, 2013 at 4:51 pm)paulpablo Wrote: To recently converted muslims of non muslim families
Do you believe your ansestors who werent muslims are going to hell? do you believe allah will be kinder to you in heaven then say your grandad or great grandfather?
I can neither know nor comment on if they are in heaven or hell. As only Allah knows. Allah is the Most Merciful and The Forgiving so can choose to forgive any sin he wishes apart from the sin of shirk. Which is unforgiveable if a person dies in state of shirk. If my ancestors died in a state of Shirk. Then yes they are most likely in the hell-fire. But i can not comment on there deeds or there beliefs as i don't know.
If they are in Paradise. Then no. If they are in the Hellfire then they will be being punished.
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RE: question for muslims
January 15, 2013 at 2:41 am
(This post was last modified: January 15, 2013 at 2:43 am by Ari.)
(January 14, 2013 at 4:29 pm)ThatMuslimGuy Wrote: (January 11, 2013 at 4:51 pm)paulpablo Wrote: To recently converted muslims of non muslim families
Do you believe your ansestors who werent muslims are going to hell? do you believe allah will be kinder to you in heaven then say your grandad or great grandfather?
I can neither know nor comment on if they are in heaven or hell. As only Allah knows. Allah is the Most Merciful and The Forgiving so can choose to forgive any sin he wishes apart from the sin of shirk. Which is unforgiveable if a person dies in state of shirk. If my ancestors died in a state of Shirk. Then yes they are most likely in the hell-fire. But i can not comment on there deeds or there beliefs as i don't know.
If they are in Paradise. Then no. If they are in the Hellfire then they will be being punished.
What a disgusting thing to say.
Your ancestors probably knew very little about Islam (let's face it, it wasn't a very widely understood religion in the Western world just fifty years ago). To tell rational, open-minded people here that you believe your deceased ancestors, friends or family would be burning in eternal hellfire because they don't subscribe to your particular outlook on life is precisely why people have a problem with organised religion.
What is perhaps most laughable of all is that you said so yourself numerous times that you do not understand enough about Islam, in fact, you even said that Islam (or, the Koran/Hadiths) must be understood through the Arabic language which you do not speak. If you admittedly do not know all of the answers about your religion, let alone the afterlife, it's more than disappointing to jump to a conclusion of, "yes, they're burning in hellfire". The only thing worse than dogmatic belief, is people who believe and apply that dogma to those around them in a negative way whilst admitting they don't understand their religion. That sets a laughable precedent.
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from the world of excision and forced marriage to the world of secual emancipation.
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Not because of its flashy gadgets, but fundamentally, because of its values.
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RE: question for muslims
January 15, 2013 at 7:51 am
To be fair on muslimguy he did say he didnt know if they are or not unless they commited shirk.
I find it strange that islam says every other sin might be forgiven except giving god a partner. but thats how it is for them.
Are you ready for the fire? We are firemen. WE ARE FIREMEN! The heat doesn’t bother us. We live in the heat. We train in the heat. It tells us that we’re ready, we’re at home, we’re where we’re supposed to be. Flames don’t intimidate us. What do we do? We control the flame. We control them. We move the flames where we want to. And then we extinguish them.
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RE: question for muslims
January 15, 2013 at 9:18 am
And yet...
didn't allah have a partner? I think I did read that somewhere.... 
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RE: question for muslims
January 15, 2013 at 10:17 am
(This post was last modified: January 15, 2013 at 10:18 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(January 15, 2013 at 7:51 am)paulpablo Wrote: To be fair on muslimguy he did say he didnt know if they are or not unless they commited shirk.
I find it strange that islam says every other sin might be forgiven except giving god a partner. but thats how it is for them.
I don't find that odd at all. The most important thing is single minded and exclusionary obedience. Nothing strange there in the context of religious belief -particularly when it becomes a political identity (which it was and is).
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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