Posts: 2911
Threads: 11
Joined: July 20, 2012
Reputation:
16
RE: Religion and LGBT people
January 19, 2013 at 2:41 pm
(This post was last modified: January 19, 2013 at 2:41 pm by catfish.)
(January 19, 2013 at 2:31 pm)Gooders1002 Wrote: (January 19, 2013 at 2:21 pm)catfish Wrote: If you have evidence that religions are homophobic, why did you have to pose the question in the first place?
Please, show us why you arrived at the conclusion that religions are "quite" homophobic...
I was seeing if there was evidence I had missing, I am not perfect. And since most Relgions preach against gay people that give me a good clue. care to prove me wrong.
I can't prove this negative unless you want me to post every religious text I can find. You seem to have trouble distinguishing between "religion" and "people".
Is there a specific text you'd like to address?
.
Posts: 1066
Threads: 248
Joined: February 6, 2012
Reputation:
7
RE: Religion and LGBT people
January 19, 2013 at 3:05 pm
(January 19, 2013 at 2:41 pm)catfish Wrote: (January 19, 2013 at 2:31 pm)Gooders1002 Wrote: I was seeing if there was evidence I had missing, I am not perfect. And since most Relgions preach against gay people that give me a good clue. care to prove me wrong.
I can't prove this negative unless you want me to post every religious text I can find. You seem to have trouble distinguishing between "religion" and "people".
Is there a specific text you'd like to address?
.
Well I can distinguish between the two, I am not stupid. But most people try to make there religion a big part of them. I want some pointers on text that does not make relgion completely homophobic.
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful" - Edward Gibbon (Offen misattributed to Lucius Annaeus Seneca or Seneca the Younger) (Thanks to apophenia for the correction)
'I am driven by two main philosophies:
Know more about the world than I knew yesterday and lessen the suffering of others. You'd be surprised how far that gets you' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain
Posts: 15755
Threads: 194
Joined: May 15, 2009
Reputation:
145
RE: Religion and LGBT people
January 19, 2013 at 5:09 pm
(This post was last modified: January 19, 2013 at 5:11 pm by Violet.)
(January 18, 2013 at 9:17 am)Aractus Wrote: Let me ask you a question - do you support the right of incestuous couples to marry too?
In consensual cases, absolutely.
Please give me a home where cloud buffalo roam
Where the dear and the strangers can play
Where sometimes is heard a discouraging word
But the skies are not stormy all day
Posts: 69247
Threads: 3759
Joined: August 2, 2009
Reputation:
258
RE: Religion and LGBT people
January 19, 2013 at 5:11 pm
Quote:In consensual cases, absolutely.
You could run for governor of Arkansas on that platform.
Posts: 15755
Threads: 194
Joined: May 15, 2009
Reputation:
145
RE: Religion and LGBT people
January 19, 2013 at 5:11 pm
(This post was last modified: January 19, 2013 at 5:14 pm by Violet.)
(January 18, 2013 at 1:50 pm)catfish Wrote: I agree to a point...
From your answer above, do you not support the rights of the mentally handicapped to marry?
It ends at the point where they cannot give consent, otherwise yes.
Quote:What about the rights of a 14 year old to marry who they chose?
Is it consensual? Answer dependent.
(January 19, 2013 at 5:11 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Quote:In consensual cases, absolutely.
You could run for governor of Arkansas on that platform.
I'd be a damn good Arkansas governor. Just look at my hair.
(January 18, 2013 at 10:16 pm)Zen Badger Wrote: Do you support the right of a 14 year old to fly a 747 if they want to?
Do they have a license to fly? Even marriage involves licensing 
Please give me a home where cloud buffalo roam
Where the dear and the strangers can play
Where sometimes is heard a discouraging word
But the skies are not stormy all day
Posts: 4484
Threads: 185
Joined: October 12, 2012
Reputation:
44
RE: Religion and LGBT people
January 19, 2013 at 10:17 pm
(January 19, 2013 at 1:13 pm)snoopydog Wrote: Hi. New poster here. 
(January 19, 2013 at 1:13 pm)snoopydog Wrote: It has been my experience that gay people (such as myself) have no business being religious. We are killed in some countries, despised in most countries, and looked down upon by most of humanity. Admittedly, my personal exprience is limited to the religious likes of baptists, catholics, and methodists; but I have yet to find a religion that says
'You're gay? Whatevs. Join us and be happy with yourself.'. If Xians have correctly received the message from the Bible, then they wouldn't be interested in persecuting gays, or for that matter, any sinner. I certainly don't want to kill you, I give you my word!
Christians are expected to literally take up their cross and follow Christ. They are expected to give all that they have over to the Lord. That means making sacrifices. Jesus himself appears before Saul and confronts him on the road to Domascus, he blinds Saul and sends him away. Then he sends Ananias to heal and baptize him, he tells Ananias (Acts 9:15-16): "Go, for he is a chosen instrument of mine to carry my name before the Gentiles and kings and the children of Israel. For I will show him how much he must suffer for the sake of my name."
Posts: 12512
Threads: 202
Joined: January 3, 2010
Reputation:
107
RE: Religion and LGBT people
January 20, 2013 at 12:10 am
Snoopy
Quote:'You're gay? Whatevs. Join us and be happy with yourself.'.
Seriously.
"The Universe is run by the complex interweaving of three elements: energy, matter, and enlightened self-interest." G'Kar-B5
Posts: 5389
Threads: 52
Joined: January 3, 2010
Reputation:
48
RE: Religion and LGBT people
January 20, 2013 at 7:42 am
(January 19, 2013 at 2:21 pm)catfish Wrote: (January 19, 2013 at 1:27 pm)Gooders1002 Wrote: Secondly I completely agree also being a gay man myself (that's why I started this whole thread). If Relgions don't want me because I love another man, fuck um. The whole point of this thread was to see just how homophobic religions are. And the answer: quite.
If you have evidence that religions are homophobic, why did you have to pose the question in the first place?
Please, show us why you arrived at the conclusion that religions are "quite" homophobic...
Do you think gay couples should be allowed to marry?
![[Image: mybannerglitter06eee094.gif]](https://images.weserv.nl/?url=i118.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fo112%2Fpussinboots_photos%2FBikes%2Fmybannerglitter06eee094.gif)
If you're not supposed to ride faster than your guardian angel can fly then mine had better get a bloody SR-71.
Posts: 4484
Threads: 185
Joined: October 12, 2012
Reputation:
44
RE: Religion and LGBT people
January 20, 2013 at 7:47 am
^ This is coming from a man who thinks a man should be allowed to marry his sister!
For Religion & Health see:[/b][/size] Williams & Sternthal. (2007). Spirituality, religion and health: Evidence and research directions. Med. J. Aust., 186(10), S47-S50. -LINK
The WIN/Gallup End of Year Survey 2013 found the US was perceived to be the greatest threat to world peace by a huge margin, with 24% of respondents fearful of the US followed by: 8% for Pakistan, and 6% for China. This was followed by 5% each for: Afghanistan, Iran, Israel, North Korea. -LINK
"That's disgusting. There were clean athletes out there that have had their whole careers ruined by people like Lance Armstrong who just bended thoughts to fit their circumstances. He didn't look up cheating because he wanted to stop, he wanted to justify what he was doing and to keep that continuing on." - Nicole Cooke
Posts: 5389
Threads: 52
Joined: January 3, 2010
Reputation:
48
RE: Religion and LGBT people
January 20, 2013 at 7:58 am
(January 20, 2013 at 7:47 am)Aractus Wrote: ^ This is coming from a man who thinks a man should be allowed to marry his sister!
I should really just tell you to fuck off.
But that would be impolite so I won't.
If you're not supposed to ride faster than your guardian angel can fly then mine had better get a bloody SR-71.
|
