I understand the OP's sentiment but I do believe that it contains many unreasonable assumptions.
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Religion and LGBT people
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January 23, 2013 at 7:14 am
(This post was last modified: January 23, 2013 at 7:20 am by Zen Badger.)
(January 22, 2013 at 8:09 pm)catfish Wrote:(January 22, 2013 at 6:11 am)Zen Badger Wrote: Try this from one of your fellow christians But nothing to say about the passages quoted........ Not much of a refutation there laddie...... to be expected though  (January 23, 2013 at 6:18 am)Aractus Wrote: Form you own opinion if you can and if you can't, take someone else's opinion and pass it off as your own here, in THIS thread... Please don't misquote me, I said that jesus was silent on the issue of homosexuality, not the bible. And don't use Leviticus to condemn homosexuality unless you want your head handed to you on a platter. ![[Image: mybannerglitter06eee094.gif]](https://images.weserv.nl/?url=i118.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fo112%2Fpussinboots_photos%2FBikes%2Fmybannerglitter06eee094.gif) If you're not supposed to ride faster than your guardian angel can fly then mine had better get a bloody SR-71.  RE: Religion and LGBT people
January 23, 2013 at 12:04 pm
(This post was last modified: January 23, 2013 at 12:19 pm by catfish.)
(January 23, 2013 at 7:14 am)Zen Badger Wrote:(January 22, 2013 at 8:09 pm)catfish Wrote: My "fellow Christians"??? Seriously, what part of "personal and unique" do you not understand? Shall I lump you in with some asshole atheists? Not much of an opinion there, lassie... . (January 23, 2013 at 6:18 am)Aractus Wrote: I didn't bother to view that link, but I should point out that the Bible is not silent on the issue (as Zen seems to think), but nor is it the most important issue either. God destroys Sodom in Genesis, we aren't told specifically why (at least not until Ezekiel 16:49 and it has nothing to do with sexuality). We don't find out anywhere in Genesis that homosexuality is a sin, and in Exodus God doesn't give a commandment to Moses prohibiting it. It's not until Leviticus that God declares it sinful. So it certainly wouldn't seem to be the most important sin, but that said, it is still a sin, and it is made clear in the Bible. And with that, you gave him a hint about that which I was hoping he'd bring up... Oh well, he may still attempt to cite S&G. lol .
Luke 17:34 King James Version (KJV)
34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. So who gets raptured? The top or the bottom? lol Which brings me to a hypothetical question: If two gay guys die at the same time while having sex, who goes to heaven first, the guy on the top, or the guy on the bottom??? . 
Ah, nice. Yet another error for the AV, lol. Just checked my interlinear to be sure. The word rendered as "bed" in the most literal sense means "couch", though in this context it probably means bed. With that said, "men" isn't in the Greek so the two that are upon the bed/couch are either a man and his wife, or are two people on a couch eating/drinking in the evening, the context could refer to either.
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 . (January 23, 2013 at 12:04 pm)catfish Wrote:You asked this "First I'd like some pointers on text that does make religion completely homophobic."(January 23, 2013 at 7:14 am)Zen Badger Wrote: But nothing to say about the passages quoted........ I replied with a link from a christian site and all you could do is rant on about how they're not your fellow christians and not once do you actually address the link itself. As I said, not much of a refutation, just a childish tantrum. (January 23, 2013 at 6:18 am)Aractus Wrote: I didn't bother to view that link, but I should point out that the Bible is not silent on the issue (as Zen seems to think), but nor is it the most important issue either. God destroys Sodom in Genesis, we aren't told specifically why (at least not until Ezekiel 16:49 and it has nothing to do with sexuality). We don't find out anywhere in Genesis that homosexuality is a sin, and in Exodus God doesn't give a commandment to Moses prohibiting it. It's not until Leviticus that God declares it sinful. So it certainly wouldn't seem to be the most important sin, but that said, it is still a sin, and it is made clear in the Bible. What's an S&G? If you're not supposed to ride faster than your guardian angel can fly then mine had better get a bloody SR-71. (January 24, 2013 at 5:04 am)Zen Badger Wrote: You asked this "First I'd like some pointers on text that does make religion completely homophobic." If you agree with the link, bring his points here. I'm not debating some random "Christian" from some other site. I want YOUR opinion, not someone else's. I can sit here and post links all day and then skirt any issue you may bring up by simply saying the opinions aren't mine... . (January 24, 2013 at 5:12 am)catfish Wrote:(January 24, 2013 at 5:04 am)Zen Badger Wrote: You asked this "First I'd like some pointers on text that does make religion completely homophobic." The link quotes a whole bunch of homophobic passages from the OT. Read it or STFU. If you're not supposed to ride faster than your guardian angel can fly then mine had better get a bloody SR-71. (January 24, 2013 at 5:15 am)Zen Badger Wrote:(January 24, 2013 at 5:12 am)catfish Wrote: If you agree with the link, bring his points here. I'm not debating some random "Christian" from some other site. Waaaaaaaaaaaa! Present an opinion of your own or fuck off... . |
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